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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women hold the key to our ecological salvation

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/10/2019 20:31

I was reading this blurb:

we can indeed find our way to a new sustainable population plateau of 3 billion without some ominous genocide, epidemic, or ecological collapse. Women - educated, empowered, integrated in to the workforce, and with access to family planning technologies - hold the key to our ecological salvation. All of us bear the responsibility for empowering women if we are to collectively chart a safe path to this new lower population plateau (www.agi.org.uk/component/civicrm/?task=civicrm/event/info&Itemid=238&reset=1&id=741)

It struck me as a little odd that men bear no responsibility in the overpopulation of the planet?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/10/2019 20:31

www.agi.org.uk/component/civicrm/?task=civicrm/event/info&Itemid=238&reset=1&id=741

Sorry, clicky link...

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Karabair · 18/10/2019 21:08

A spook forsooth:

There are many strings to Chris's resume. He is founder of MapStory.org, former board member of the Defence Science Board Intelligence Task Force, former Director of National Intelligence's Strategic Studies Group, and worked on the Secretary of Interior's National Geospatial Advisory Committee, and the United States Geospatial Intelligence Foundation. He has also sat on board of the Open Geospatial Consortium and is the current Chair of the American Geographical Society.

Men could refuse to take part in PIV sex. Not going to happen though.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/10/2019 21:16

Cleaning up the mess as usual ...

Inebriati · 18/10/2019 21:27

Call me a cynic, but I am calling this the ''End Stage Glass Cliff'' scenario.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 18/10/2019 21:37

Or men could just wear a condom.
A friend of mine is a single mother and the man who was her partner didn't like condoms. His last girlfriend had an abortion and he asked my friend to have an abortion.
He uses abortion as his contraception.
Fucking asshole is a woke bro too.
(Note: I have no issue with abortions)

AncientLights · 18/10/2019 23:00

So women need to be educated, empowered, integrated into the workforce & have access to family planning technologies. All this we need in order to benefit our communities, nay - the world, while our governments can't even define what a woman is, beyond 'anyone who says they are'. How is that going to work? Women, who need to be out in the world for the benefit of the world, will instead be kept home by the urinary leash when we can't go out for long because we'll have to deal with even more bad male behaviour than now.

As for the access to reproductive technologies, has he heard of Donald Trump and co?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 18/10/2019 23:01

Mmmm hmmm.

StillWeRise · 18/10/2019 23:12

But it's true that when women are educated they are empowered in many ways, not least they are able to limit their families- because they understand their bodies, have the money to access contraception and because they have more economic independence have a stronger voice within the family. This in turn benefits their children who are healthier and more likely to be educated themselves.
This argument is about the women in the majority world who may not even have primary level education. They don't stand a chance of making an unwilling husband use a condom, but they might be able to go to a local clinic for an implant. No one in those countries is faffing around with sex as a spectrum.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/10/2019 23:20

This argument is about the women in the majority world who may not even have primary level education. They don't stand a chance of making an unwilling husband use a condom, but they might be able to go to a local clinic for an implant

Agreed - I'm not convinced the issue is just educating women though. Even if they were educated and empowered etc, would the men around them allow them these choices?

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StillWeRise · 18/10/2019 23:26

well- it's unlikely that if the girls are educated, the boys aren't. But in any case, if your wife can read and write and is earning independently - either as a farmer or small business owner- the balance of power shifts!

Goosefoot · 18/10/2019 23:30

The whole thing is just stupid, so I wouldn't put much thought into it. But as far as it goes, I think the sentiment is meant to be taken in the same way as the idea that young people will save us, or some other group, it's somehow meant to be upbeat and empowering.

stumbledin · 18/10/2019 23:44

This is a very common arguement made in the "Development" movement, including women's groups from the countries concerned.

But what none of them talk about is that even though being educated may appear to offer you more choices than childbearing and housework, if your community opposes you having the choice, or if you attempt to exercisethe choice and it results in violence, its not really a solution.

Needs a bit more joined up thinking about how women are oppressed.

Goosefoot · 18/10/2019 23:56

Isn't the most basic problem with what they are saying though that places where women are empowered, employed, and have fewer children, are also the places using the vast majority of the consuming and polluting and driving of climate change?

If every country changed to operate like well off western consumer societies, as is happening in places like China or India now, we'd be looking at ecological disaster not ecological salvation. We are looking at it.

The whole statement is BS.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 19/10/2019 00:26

hold the key to our ecological salvation
This is the sentance that jars me the most.
"Hold the key", like how a girls virginity is talked about.Girls and women holding something over men.To unlock something,Something men have to have get the key for.
That sentance reads like a man talks.

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