60 Minutes Australia - Detransitioning teenage boy

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This was uploaded to YouTube about a week ago, although the blurb says it was made in 2017.

Dear, sweet, boy has to have his artificially induced breasts removed AGE FOURTEEN.

Similar back story to Jazz Jennings/Susie Green’s Jackie - feminine boy wants to be a girl from childhood, professionals affirm, mum goes above and beyond to assist transition (fears of suicide) but with a very different ending - now happily reidentifying as the boy he is.

Is this the boy whose mother moved him from Oz to the UK? Or was that a different one?

So he had been put on oestrogen ? Aged 12 ? What else will that have done to him ? This makes me ragey, that poor boy.

I have a friend whose son is very similar to that boy, from a young age loved dolls, jewellery, wigs & dresses-loved dressing up in girly stuff- my friend just let him do it, must to the amused glances from strangers. He is now a super cool, glamorous, effeminate & healthy young teenager, will most likely be gay, thank goodness so one suggested he was trans.

To answer my own question, yes it's the boy I'd seen a previous documentary about. In which his mother moved him to the UK for a "fresh start".

I'm very interested to hear that he wasn't put on puberty blockers aged 12, but on to oestrogen. What could possibly go wrong?

Answer: Patrick realised aged 14 he was, in fact, a boy and wanted off the trans train.

If this is the one I think it is they were struggling to find a surgeon to remove his artificially created breasts. There was talk of having to go to Korea for the surgery.

Also, I think the oestrogen was his mother's.

Yep, that’s the one. Apologies if everyone has already seen it - it was new to me and this particular YouTube had only been uploaded recently.

Australia has (had?) a requirement that court approval is needed before prescribing to gender questioning kids - mum gave son her own HRT to circumnavigate that, with the knowledge of the hospital who provided bone scans.

I got the impression that both child and mum had totally bought into the idea that letting ‘trans kids’ go through natal sex puberty results in suicide and that once the medical diagnosis was made it was infallible.

I found the boy, Patrick, to be very likeable and I hope he goes on to be a happy and healthy adult (possibly a fabulous and flamboyant one too).

And yes, fuck knows what the long term effects of a pubertal boy taking oestrogen will be.

God this is awful. I hope he's OK now.

If he came to the UK, were Mermaids involved at all, I wonder.

So thankful I'm not a child today.
I used to wish I was a boy. In primary because i wanted to take my top off melting in a heatwave too. I also thought I'd belong more, being the only girl playing football. Although I'd also play with dolls houses, maybe today society would of concluded I didn't have a gender?

At 11/12 I thought boys had it better off, not having to worry about periods and could be bolder. I.e. more acceptable for a boy to ask a girl out.

I cannot imagine the psychological trauma it would've caused me should I have been encouraged to become transsexual.

What needs to happen is the pushing down of gender stereotypes. Kids get told boys like blue, boys like cars, those are boys clothes, those are boys shoes, boys don't have long hair. Girls like pink, girls like princesses, girls don't do rough sports, those are girls clothes, those are girls shoes. These ideas are pushed on children so young and I firmly believe it has detrimental effects. Gender doesn't matter really, in terms of what you wear or do. This is what children need to be taught. It matters in terms of fairness in sports and keeping certain places safe.

Another of DD's friends has today announced that he is a she (mostly it's been girls announcing that they are boys). He's a talented, gentle, androgynous young man. It often seems to be the really nice kids who are affected at this age.

I feel conflicted about this - he is just the same person as he always was, and I'm greatly saddened for him that he may be being sucked down this route. BUT if he starts using the girls' facilities at school I will inevitably feel less well-disposed towards him than before -- because that impinges on the girls' rights.

I had, for once, quite a calm conversation with DD about this. She says my statistics are wrong and that very few people ever detransition. We looked into it a bit more together and she agreed that actually, her stats came from times when there were higher barriers to transition, so many more of the current 'affirmed' cohort may come to regret it.

Girl dd knows is using a binder, a very good friend’s dd has just had a double mastectomy, at 17.
This is social contagion, fuelled by the internet. It would be fine if they were all becoming goths, but mastectomies? Being given cross sex hormones at 12 by your Mum ? So many children will end up physically and emotionally damaged by this ideology.

Not all kids are buying into this.
My DD (aged 12) knows I've been reading about this and am concerned, suddenly announced to me yesterday that 'gender is bullshit'. She has several (probably) gay and GNC friends but they're quite secure in themselves as girls. The scales have truly fallen from their eyes in terms of seeing that trans ideology requires you to buy into gender stereotypes. Which they don't.

Beamur, that’s reassuring to hear!

Although in our case it turned almost overnight, Stepdaughter (12 at the time) and I had a good conversation earlier this year, prompted by a school friend who identifies as non-binary. SD said emphatically at the time that she wasn’t at all gender conflicted and was happy to be female and bisexual (I swear they are all sitting under an LGBT sorting hat at the moment).
Roll on through first period and noticeable breast and hip development, a distressing incident of being catcalled by a grown man, almost passing out in PE due to wearing two too-small sports bras, sessions with a school counsellor without parental knowledge, right into a rabbit hole of high profile YouTube transmen...
Just turned 13 year old SD is now begging for a double mastectomy! Rapid Onset GD really is rapid.

It’s also unlike the forms of GD seen in previous decades, which is why research is so desperately needed.
Patrick, in the above video is one of the classic gender confused kids of previous years (who are the ‘80% desist at puberty’ if-not-medicalised kids, many of whom grow up to be lesbian/gay).
ROGD is like AGP in the sense that both begin at puberty, although the motivations and behaviours are very different, as is the speed at which it progresses (internet porn and social contagion seem to be speeding up the development of AGP - it used to take years, even decades to reach the transition-or-bust phase, now it seems to happen around 22-35, sometimes even earlier).

I know what you mean about the sorting hat!
That's really scary about your SD. I think this is what really frightens me about this movement, the consequences of immature decision making is potentially so profound.
My DD is such a smart, curious kid with strong opinions. So far she's abiding by my rules. She's not allowed to go on Tumblr or Reddit, only Pinterest (which I have the password for) and no YouTube following.
She's quite nervous of connecting with strangers online (long may that last).

SD said emphatically at the time that she wasn’t at all gender conflicted and was happy to be female and bisexual (I swear they are all sitting under an LGBT sorting hat at the moment).

I can't find the link now, but recently saw some kind of LGBT campaign video and it had kids who looked 12 saying things like "I'm pansexual". It was very sorting-hat-y!

She's not allowed to go on Tumblr or Reddit, only Pinterest (which I have the password for) and no YouTube following.

It's not just these sites that are putting these ideas in their heads though. It's schools and things like the 'educational' materials coming from the BBC.

Like this page.
www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zhvbt39/articles/z6smbdm

Gender
We may be a female physically, but identify or feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a male.

When we feel this way, we may be transgender or gender non binary.

Being transgender or gender non binary, however, is natural.

I've complained to the BBC about this, but they've ignored me. They replied, but refused to see that there's anything wrong with encouraging children to think about their 'gender'.

And every school which shows children a 'gender unicorn' or a 'genderbread person' is encouraging ROGD as well.

The bit which was so telling I thought was when he said how, now he was a boy again, he could wear comfortable shoes which fit him properly.

The whole thing is based on such a stereotype of what a woman is, such an artificial construct. I actually feel he may regret this turning back - I think he found being the Barbie-woman of a 14 year old’s mind as horrific as it is, but in spite of his grown-up demeanour, he’s a child and so he hasn’t the maturity to see that being a woman is a completely different thing and separate thing to being a stereotype of female.

I think he will want to be a woman again, with maturity. What a disaster all round. I do hope he settles into some kind of peace as he is - a very lovely, gentle, nice-looking Male person.

OldCrone
True, but I can't police everything and she doesn't live in a bubble.
Exposure is inevitable and she has to make up her own mind. But I will do all I can to keep her safe and well informed.

There are plenty of radfems and gender critical blogs on tumblr. And they are not silenced like on twatter et al.

Tumblr is a mixed bag - to characterise it as a place just for alphabet people with blue hair is a bit simplistic.

I hope he grows up to be a very successful lawyer and sues the pants off all the adults who did this to him when he was developmentally far too young to give meaningful consent.

Good point, Ruffle.

I too can't wait to see these bastards in the dock.

Beamur That wasn't meant as a criticism of what you're doing. Sorry if it sounded like it was.

My point was really that this confusion isn't just originating from what they see online. It's being pushed by schools and the media, particularly 'respectable' media like the BBC. If 'respectable' organisations weren't pushing ROGD as a lifestyle choice, it would be much easier to stop children from getting sucked into it.

I remember seeing the original story about the transition and the mother supplying her hormones. I wasn't really aware of the bigger picture at that point, but I still was appalled that a mother would give their child what is technically "medication" that wasn't prescribed for the child.

IIRC there was a paediatrician in the original story (perhaps the same one in this) that did speak out against it and was absolutely vilified.

Totally agree that they are getting it in school - it was the school counsellor who suggested SD watch some YouTube trans videos, that’s how she learned about ‘top surgery’.
SD doesn’t even really identify as a boy or think she’s a boy in a girl’s body - she just wants to look boyish/not have breasts and that’s been presented to her as a viable option by adults who should know better, thanks to all the GenderBread spectrum nonsense.
When I was a little older than she was I had green hair and bovver boots and stripey tights (early 90s) and much older men used to come up to me and say ‘what’s a pretty girl like you doing, wearing all that? You’ve ruined yourself’ and I’d think to myself ‘so that horrible old men like you don’t fancy me’.

This is what I think is going on with SD - she doesn’t want to be sexualised (despite having declared a sexuality age 12, thanks to the school LGBTQIA++ Sorting Hat).

When old men leered at us, we used to shout back ‘I’m a child! You’re a paedophile!’ but then we were gobby shites and SD is much more reserved. I wish I could give her some of my feistiness.

OldCrone
No offence taken.
It is more concerning that mainstream and trusted outlets like schools and the BBC are promoting confusing and misleading information and reporting in such biased ways. I listened to a news programme on the radio (beeb) not so long ago that talked about the boycotting of LGBT teaching in Birmingham and it was reported very unfairly, with no nuance about what legitimate concerns parents might have and the scorn and derision in the presenters comments made me quite cross. Basically the accusation was that anyone protesting was a homophobic religious nut. The lack of awareness that condemning someone for holding different views makes you as prejudiced as you think they are is stark.