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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's rights and trans ideology

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andyoldlabour · 17/10/2019 13:57

The following article explores and compares the Marx theory that the "material" (logic and reality) determines the ideological, not the other way around.

"An organism’s biology is not a social construct; it is scientifically testable and verifiable. Women are adult human females – that is what the word means because its definition accords with our scientific understanding."

rdln.wordpress.com/2019/10/17/womens-rights-trans-ideology-and-gramscis-morbid-symptoms/?fbclid=IwAR1ypvlDGXXe-9zz9vldQnUZcAoEp0ESb_zy_Qkzuviu9VEseTX6DuvGW50

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dolorsit · 17/10/2019 14:29

Thanks for the link.

I really need to refresh my memory of Marxism so I can remember what I agreed with and disagreed with!

quixote9 · 18/10/2019 08:13

I sat down to read Marx (or maybe it was Engels?) a long time ago. I stood up again pretty soon. The same problem I've had with most of the German philosophers flattened me: endless, boring sentences stating the obvious.

(Well, maybe it was obvious. Or maybe I just got lost between verb and subject and the whole thing flew by miles over my head.)

Anyway, this is a long way of saying that it comes as a surprise to me that Marx owns the concept of facts taking precedence over ideology. And there, all these years, I thought that was merely logical.

Not saying anything against your main point at all. Biology deals in facts which don't even know you have feelings, let alone care about them. One of those facts is sexual reproduction.

dolorsit · 18/10/2019 08:42

Anyway, this is a long way of saying that it comes as a surprise to me that Marx owns the concept of facts taking precedence over ideology.

I don't think he does but when you are arguing with labour supporters who consider women's rights right wing (or transwomen to be part of the female sex class) it's quite handy to refer to Marx.

andyoldlabour · 18/10/2019 09:35

"Biology deals in facts which don't even know you have feelings, let alone care about them. One of those facts is sexual reproduction."

And that is IMHO the most important fact in this struggle, against an ideology which is funded by extremely rich people.

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