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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police pronouns day tweet isn't going well ...

120 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 17/10/2019 00:25

mobile.twitter.com/DCCJulieCooke/status/1184397495423655936

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WomanBornNotWorn · 17/10/2019 23:13

Having been one of the women inside the Brighton building under siege during the WPUK meeting - plate glass windows being kicked and punched by bellowing zealots - while police looked on arms folded, or stared at their mobile, I am becoming increasingly anxious about police motives, their direction and who's operating them from behind.

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TruthOnTrial · 18/10/2019 00:20

How can the police stand by whilst criminal damage is being done and not act??

Yet, the extinction rebellion, over a thousand arrests!

What a bunch of mysogynists to allow women to be threatened so appallingly and fail in their duty to protect them and property. Shock

Its dereliction of duty. They must've been worn oitt from all the pronoun policing, something they are not actually required to do. WTAF police? Who even are you anymore?

There was a post from one saying how they are making a mockery of the police, yep.

DryHeave · 18/10/2019 06:28

My pronouns are me/me/me

WhatWouldBarbaraCastleDo · 18/10/2019 07:18

I scrolled down from DCC Julie's pronoun tweet and found a tweet linking to this

www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2966867/arrested-transgender-person-thanks-police-in-york/

In which an arrested transman praises the police for asking if they want to be searched by a male or female officer.

I remember some guidelines being discussed sometime ago about this. I wonder if the police would really have asked a transwoman if they wanted to be searched by a female officer? Would they really do that for, say, our friend Alex Drummond in the event they were arrested?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 18/10/2019 07:35

At work I was offered a rainbow lanyard and i (politely) refused and wanted to stick with my regular, standard issue black one.

I told my friend how the LGBT rainbow nonsense is a poisoned well for me now. Once upon a time, I would have loved that lanyard, but it's now been colonised and it honestly makes me feel a bit queasy to think about it.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 18/10/2019 07:38

Hmm...Womanborn who could possibly have given that police force their D&I training, i wonder? 🤨

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/10/2019 07:58

So as a police officer you could be made to search a person of the same ‘gender’ but opposite sex. There’s a word for that...

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 08:03

Hypothetically what would happen if the officer refused? I know some prison guards in Scotland did so but not sure what's happened with that case.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 18/10/2019 08:37

There’s already at least one ‘nonbinary’ police officer who has two separate warrant cards, depending on how they feel when they wake up. Hmm

Tyrotoxicity · 18/10/2019 08:52

Actually it occurs to me that if misgendering is literal violence, getting a cop’s pronouns wrong equates to an assault on a police officer.

I suspect you're joking, but according to my friend whose parents are both police, 'common assault of an emergency worker' doesn't necessarily mean a physical assault. So it very probably would count, if the officer chose to make it count.

Happy to be corrected on this if there's anyone around with accurate insider knowledge of police charges.

HumberElla · 18/10/2019 09:06

So Julie states Being misgendered can have a huge impact on somebody and their personal wellbeing. It can also be a form of abuse

But not a crime. Not illegal or against any law. Not within police remit then.

Now at one time, I would have been sympathetic to the pronouns thing, without any further context. But quite honestly I’m completely over it now.

If you are experiencing extreme reactions to someone referring to you by your sex then you need help. And however unkind deliberate misgendering might be, it is not abuse. It’s just not. Calling it abuse just to escalate the opportunity for an extreme response and crack down in return, to control language, seems to be the intention.

WrathofSIxFootSIxElfKlop · 18/10/2019 09:10

Literal violence is a very slippery term for me.
You would think violence is actually happening, which it isn't.

When someone uses those two words, it tells me they are basically lying.

AnxiousMcAnxiousFace · 18/10/2019 09:10

This makes me so angry I have no words. I used to find it funny but now I just want to cry. It’s absolute insanity.

WrathofSIxFootSIxElfKlop · 18/10/2019 09:18

HumberElla

But...(misgendering)
Is not a crime. Not illegal or against any law. Not within police remit then

Well said.

nettie434 · 18/10/2019 09:20

sarahjconnor Am only reading this thread now so only just seen your post Flowers It must be really hurtful to feel that victims’ rights are less than criminals’. It is quite easy to use names or other descriptors to avoid pronouns.

DanaPhoenix · 18/10/2019 13:45

It's really easy to make fun of this idiocy, as witnessed by the countless negative replies. God knows they are kinda lucky that the failed XR protest in Canning Town has taken the internet by storm. Else there would be far more attention and outrage.

The point remains the continual overreach is frightening. We need to stand strong against compelled speech. It's really ramping up now. I was appalled to see attempts to alter divorce laws. Actually appalled isn't strong enough, fucking disgusted might be closer to the mark.
Because, frankly, it seems to me that they are calling for state sanctioned coercive control. I mean no disrespect to victims of coercive control, but imo the parallels cannot be ignored.

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 13:56

Were the divorce laws changed in the end? I understood that it went through - but I didn't actually check.

Agree about the compelled speech ramping up - it is frightening. It's at crazy levels right now. Pronouns Day ffs.

DanaPhoenix · 18/10/2019 14:00

I'm not sure Zebras I'm in Oz. But what I did see suggested was horrifying. Particularly if anyone has read the transwidows threads.

SeaWitchly · 18/10/2019 14:05

blindmansbluff I loved the Michael Jackson tweet!!! He/Hee Grin

Also 'what about an international catch a burglar day?'

Grin Grin Grin

NotTerfNorCis · 18/10/2019 14:14

I see some hate speech going on. Why is this allowed?

DickKerrLadies · 18/10/2019 14:18

Because blokes have been dehumanising women for centuries.

It's not new or original to not count women as humans.

NotTerfNorCis · 18/10/2019 14:22

Dont come at me with your dehumanization shit, they dont meet my criteria for human

Feminists as inhuman 'savage animals'. There's as much hate here as I've seen from any MRA.

Findwen · 18/10/2019 14:24

Dear DCC Julie Cook,

My pronouns are Zeeg-Highal, I've asked your officers to use my pronoun loud and proud, but they have been very reluctant to do so. Please can you help educate them into not full embracing my specialness.