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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Quote: "noted transphobe attempted to disrupt one of the panels" at FWSA UK Conference!

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stumbledin · 16/10/2019 23:44

From twitter:

Just left @FWSAuk’s ‘Feminist Hope, Feminist Dilemmas’ conference, where a noted transphobe attempted to disrupt one of the panels. Some audience members asked for a ‘respectful dialogue’ instead of ejecting said individual.

@FWSAuk will NOT stand for hate. #FeministHope #Trans solidarity. (A full statement to follow)

twitter.com/search?q=FWSA%20UK&src=typd

(I wonder who that could have been?!)

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bd67th · 17/10/2019 18:49

The same union leader who says she will do nothing to protect female academics from being harassed and bullied for not fully buying into gender ideology.

When is the next UCU leadership election? They really need to get rid of this shill.

SimplyTheWorst · 17/10/2019 18:51

The women who walked out of that room need to be known as what they are: they are patriarchists the very antithesis of feminists.

What is today known as "Gender Studies" is patriarchism.

Pota2 · 17/10/2019 19:15

Away thank you and solidarity to you too Flowers. I do follow Dr Em and I saw the stuff about suffragettes. It’s so true- I have seen it time and time again where they try to throw mud at the women who often risked absolutely everything to get basic rights that they now take for granted. To apply woke standards that have only been around the last five years or so to these women and label them ‘problematic’ is so ignorant. It shows such little understanding and often it is conflated with race issues that applied in the US at the time but not in the UK, claiming that the UK suffragettes didn’t want black women to have the vote and other idiocy. It makes me despair. I am young-ish myself, in the same age bracket as many of the panelists. I just can’t understand the wilful ignorance and also the aggression levelled at anyone who dares disagree. It honestly shocks me and I am not that easily shocked! I thought academia was a place for robust debate but it is shut down immediately. I am quite a logical person and I can’t just accept irrational arguments just because someone screams in my face that I have to. I have no issue with trans people existing or otherwise. I am just frightened at what passes for feminism and puzzled why people can’t see the harm in what they are promoting. The ‘you should die in a bin’ language that gets thrown at anyone who doesn’t agree with sex work for instance is astounding. I wish I had got to experience real feminism. When I was at uni, feminism was a dirty word associated with being ugly and a man-hater and it was the height of lads mags. Now, everyone claims to be a feminist but it’s become an empty concept. I can’t figure out which is worse tbh.

Pota2 · 17/10/2019 19:22

bd67th I don’t think it’s for a while. She has just been elected. Although she is taking a bit of a risky line on a pensions dispute that’s brewing so she might fall from grace when that inevitably goes tits up. She has no experience of leading or even being in a union but wrote a PhD on pensions so her focus is almost purely on that and not the many other issues affecting academics. She has already pissed people off by going on a nationwide tour but not visiting a single ‘newer’ or post-92 university, despite them making up a huge chunk of the sector. Her excuse when challenged was that she didn’t think they had lecture theatres big enough to host the audience she was going to pull in. That’s obviously bollocks because most of them are the same size as older unis. She really embodies some of the worst things about the whole woke movement and her call on twitter to have Dr Louise Moody sacked and tagging her employer at the time was unforgivable.

So I am keeping my fingers crossed that we will at some point get a sensible leader.

Pota2 · 17/10/2019 19:30

Also, I just saw on twitter that Jane Clare Jones was there at the conference and will hopefully write about her experience! I really look forward to that! Apparently it all made her despair. I know the feeling and I wasn’t even there...

TemporaryPermanent · 17/10/2019 20:17

I've realised that I think of Dr Jane Clare Jones as a sister. And not in a feminist way, just as a sister, because it was such a relief to know she was there, in the way that my big sister being somewhere makes me feel better too.

Nb: I am probably older than Dr JCJ but approximately 10% as badass.

[Tries to remain objective]

Creepster · 17/10/2019 21:16

The used to call us 'noted Feminists' sometimes, when they were being nice. I do not remember Feminists ever being referred to as 'noted man hater' the way they are freely slandered by being called "noted transphobe" these days.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/10/2019 21:30

She has already pissed people off by going on a nationwide tour but not visiting a single ‘newer’ or post-92 university, despite them making up a huge chunk of the sector. Her excuse when challenged was that she didn’t think they had lecture theatres big enough to host the audience she was going to pull in.

That seems just a teensy bit arrogant.

lionheart · 17/10/2019 22:02

"why are we including men pretending to be women?", seems to have been the question.

TensingArndale · 17/10/2019 22:29

I'll wager nobody there was fit to clean my shero, Sheila Jeffrey's shoes.

Awaywiththepiskies · 18/10/2019 08:26

When is the next UCU leadership election? They really need to get rid of this shill

It won’t happen for a while, I suspect. Several of my colleagues are all agog at having another strike.

I’m a UCU member and I know the theory of withdrawing labour and the power of solidarity, but the campaign at the moment is not the hill I want to die in.

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