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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Testosterone boosts women's performance

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BluebonicPlague · 16/10/2019 00:42

www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/15/testosterone-boosts-womens-athletic-performance-study-shows
We really had no idea.

So much wrong with this article, but kudos to the Graun for publishing it at all.

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TemporaryPermanent · 16/10/2019 01:00

Well. Yes. Quite a big study too, relatively.

People taking testosterone shouldn't expect to be able to compete in formal sports competitions. Participation is, of course, fine.

NotBadConsidering · 16/10/2019 06:35

And it’s a science journalist who wrote it. I imagine she’s sort of the Guardian equivalent of Galileo, forced to sit away from people whose sensibilities are damaged by such things as “facts” and “data”.

BarbaraStrozzi · 16/10/2019 06:40

Is this the paper from the Karolinska Institute that the Times reported on a couple of weeks ago? If so, the Guardian's only reporting half the results, and the omission is very telling.

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BarbaraStrozzi · 16/10/2019 06:50

I hate my phone.

The paper the Times reported on also looked at the effect of testosterone suppression on men and male bodied trans identifying athletes. I'll try to dig out the relevant figure (when not in my phone). The message was that T enhances the performance of female athletes but doesn't take them into the range of male athletes (even those on androgen blockers) while T suppression reduces the strength of male bodied athletes relative to other men, but doesn't take them into the range of female bodied athletes, even the ones taking T.

Of course this figure was for the means of the populations. But it means there are individuals within the female-bodied population for whom T doping confers a drastically unfair advantage (who are going to "excel" unfairly if allowed to continue to play women's sport). There are also individuals within the male-bodied population for whom T suppression makes relatively little difference to their performance and they will "excel" unfairly if allowed to join women's sport.

ScapaFlo · 16/10/2019 09:31

But surely we already know this? Sharron Davies v the East German swimmers certainly know that testosterone enhances female performance.

Caucho · 16/10/2019 10:44

I’m supposed to be attending a corporate schmooze soon where Sebastian Coe is is guest speaker followed by some Q&A so might ask him about Trans atheletes if I can be arsed to go. Either that or why the fuck they had the World Championships in Doha

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