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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Report about GIDS from the BBC.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 14/10/2019 23:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50046579

It's all a bit of a wimpy fudge, and this article is of note for the way attempts to frame the BBC's Newsnight brief mention of it as some sort of investigative pioneer on this. All told, it's clear the actual study needs to be seen, and the BBC are beginning to drop in damage limitation mentions.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 15/10/2019 07:40

and yet they still have children's programmes available that promote the use of puberty blockers and state that they are just a pause button. Also educational material that teaches children that gender identity is real and there are hundreds and people can go to prison for wrong think. Bbc need to do better. I used to love the beeb, and the guardian, but they are letting women and children down.

ChattyLion · 15/10/2019 09:54

Yes this looks a lot like arse-covering in front of the more adult informed audiences. Glib political virtue signalling for everyone else. Great that Newsnight did this piece in the first place but the BBC needs to get its line straight on this. urgently and across all channels.

I would like to read the actual report from the Ethics Committee because that sounds a bit weak, ‘nobody did any conflict of interest reporting’, ‘nobody normally updates us on their projects’. Is there really no urgency when experimenting on kids?

OldCrone · 15/10/2019 10:47

Also educational material that teaches children that gender identity is real

Yes, all the crap about how people can think of themselves as the opposite sex is still there on their 'educational' pages, and that if people think this, they are transgender.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zhvbt39/articles/z6smbdm

They corrected the sexuality section after a lot of complaints, but the gender stuff is still there.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3697303-BBC-Bitesize-is-teaching-children-being-a-lesbian-is-about-gender

LangCleg · 15/10/2019 10:56

I'm absolutely fuming about this. From the article:

The HRA said clinicians and researchers should "avoid referring to puberty suppressing as providing a 'breathing space' to avoid risk of misunderstanding".

Rather, the purpose of the treatment should be described as being offered to children demonstrating strong and persistent gender identity dysphoria "such that the suppression of puberty would allow subsequent cross-sex hormone treatment without the need to surgically reverse or otherwise mask the unwanted physical effects of puberty in the birth gender".

HRA is coming out as supporting future passability as justification for PBs. And the BBC is reporting it in such a way as to completely obscure this meaning for all its viewers/readers. As a friend of mine just commented: this isn't medicine - it's prepping for future cosmetic surgery.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/10/2019 16:19

this isn’t medicine, it is prepping for future cosmetic surgery
This.

OldCrone · 15/10/2019 16:25

HRA is coming out as supporting future passability as justification for PBs.

With no concern about all the other effects on children who never go through puberty as a result of this 'treatment'.

archery2 · 16/10/2019 00:36

The BBC article is written by the same Newsnight journalists who did the original story about this. You can see the HRA report here:

www.hra.nhs.uk/about-us/news-updates/early-pubertal-suppression-carefully-selected-group-adolescents-gender-identity-disorders-hra-report/

It's a very depressing read, though. They don't seem to care that researchers don't follow basic rules like submitting an annual update. And the reason is that the HRA says the rule is ineffective.

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