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Quillette Article: the stats about trans in women’s prison

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mooncuplanding · 13/10/2019 08:53

Quillette is a interesting publication as it is very very pro free speech.

This article takes a look at the numbers of dangerous male criminals being placed in women’s prisons under the trans inclusion label.

Sleepwalking into a nightmare!

quillette.com/2019/10/12/male-bodied-rapists-are-being-imprisoned-with-women-why-do-so-few-people-care/

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AnyOldPrion · 14/10/2019 16:10

The problem is that the decisions are made in the MoJ but we'll meaning but clueless people who have never really met anyone who has been to prison, and believe that a "transwomen" is always a very effeminate homosexual man who would be unsafe in with the men.

I’m too cynical to believe this. There will be an element of these kind of people waving the policies through, but I suspect there may be some in positions of authority who are either being bribed OR have a rather closer affinity with the transitioning male prisoners than is healthy in a man with that kind of power.

As for the question of whether male transitioners are more likely tonoffend than other men.... I’m sure there are some men who are abusing the situation, but that doesn’t rule out the possibility that this group, as a while, commit more sexual crimes than other men. Assuming some of them have a cross-dressing fetish, then it may well be that there is a higher likelihood of other paraphilias, such as exhibitionism, for example.

Orangepearl · 14/10/2019 16:34

I worry about this higher likelihood too.

LuisDuran2 · 14/10/2019 16:56

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HepzibahGreen · 14/10/2019 17:07

Go and tidy your room Luis.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 14/10/2019 17:09

Is it loon day or something?

HepzibahGreen · 14/10/2019 17:12

I get where you are coming from AnyOld, and I think that maybe right at the top there is a sinister element, but having met several people in the MoJ my observation on is that they are, on the whole, posh and clueless, in a well meaning knee jerk liberal kind of way.
As far as cross dressers being more inclined to violence who can say. It's something that would need proper study I would think.
I do know that prison is a fucking awful place, and anyone would do whatever it takes to improve the experience in any way they can.

LouiseWooten · 14/10/2019 18:56

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TemporaryPermanent · 14/10/2019 19:05

Not sure why anyone would bother with expensive ectogenesis when poor women's bodies are so available for forms of coerced pregnancy.

pinkhanger · 14/10/2019 20:12

@TemporaryPermanent
Everything is expensive at the outset.
In USA the first colour TV was a 15” Westington, it cost 1,295$ in 1954. The salary then was 3000$ pa. The TV was over 5 months salary.
In UK now Tesco sell 32” TVs for £180, between 2 and 3 days wages, Now every house has several.
I can remember Motorola phones in the 80s the size of car batteries for £2000. Now we give them to kids.
www.earlytelevision.org/westinghouse_ad.html

HepzibahGreen · 14/10/2019 21:50

Am I having an acid flashback?

Goosefoot · 15/10/2019 01:49

Why is this allowed to happen?

I think it is a little more complex than just, people don't care, I think it's a feature of the way decisions are made in these systems.

The people making the political decisions at the top aren't really involved in the nitty gritty realities of the whole thing at all. It may be that they don't care, but in any case they don't really know what it's like to live and work in a prison, and it isn't something they are keenly aware of all the time, it's probably something they think about occasionally. They have a lot of outside pressures in their decision making too, not least being elected, but also people lobbyists, party pressures, and even well-meaning people making arguments about the science or human rights elements. They are relying on others to fill them in on the technical elements, and they may have to think about what the courts are saying as well. They also, very often, have to live with less than perfect decisions because that is what is politically possible - if they were purists they'd not be in politics.

Then, the people within the system are used to having to do whatever is passed down from above, even if it is stupid. They often aren't empowered in any way to disagree, at most they could leave their jobs, which doesn't seem helpful. Even those at the top know they are limited in what they can challenge and often have to play the political game to keep their jobs - they may also be required to keep out of partisan questions in some cases, and disagreeing with rights issues might not go over well.

This all leads to an environment where really bad decisions can be made by people who don't know much about the situation, and the people who do have no way to do much about it, and have learned to keep quiet. Those who can't burn out and leave the sector early on.

EileenAlanna · 15/10/2019 03:10

It appears that #StickerWoman thinks this is a bad thing.

Quillette Article: the stats about trans in women’s prison
Detroit19 · 15/10/2019 16:15

Its possible HepzibarGreen, but it's more likely that the prison decision makinhbigwigs are on crack. Perhaps sniffing glue too.

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