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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front

22 replies

LoveGrowsWhere · 11/10/2019 10:12

Know your chances before you apply.
mobile.twitter.com/torynglavin/status/1181866943323791362

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Qcng · 11/10/2019 10:39

Wow this person actually has the words "Angry Transwoman" as their profile description.

Back off lesbians, basically.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/10/2019 10:46

Blimey, that twitter thread reads like the rantings of a disturbed child. Imagine having to work with them?
Jay-sus!

zanahoria · 11/10/2019 11:20

There is a complete lack of professionalism at Stonewall, aided no doubt by the absurd bias in selection.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/10/2019 11:25

All about the boobs, bitches and witches.

Niiice.

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/10/2019 11:28

Unless the role is specifically to write/advise on trans policy, could that be viewed as discriminatory?

I know there are exemptions to EA for certain job roles where the characteristic is actually material to the role. Wondering if that’s the case here or it’s just standard jobs for the bo- sorry, laydees.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/10/2019 11:38

Yeah, the role is trans inclusion.

GenderfreeJoe · 11/10/2019 11:40

Looks like discrimination to me. Esp as stonewall are also supposed to be supporting gay and lesbian people. Same sex attracted. Reckon that's certainly worth a discrimination complaint.

Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front
Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front
LizzieSiddal · 11/10/2019 11:45

I wonder if the Charities Commission would be interested in such blatant discrimination.

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/10/2019 11:50

Interesting. I just had a look and neither policy officer role is advertised as trans specific, no mention of who is/isn’t eligible to be considered under the EA exemptions. They’re not requiring the applicant to be trans, or LGB, for that matter.

I’m guessing the tweeter isn’t actually the person the roles will report to as implied (narc grandiose thinking?) - as most recruiting managers would have more sense than tweeting something that leaves their org open to a direct discrimination complaint.

TemporaryPermanent · 11/10/2019 11:52

I dont think encouraging people from one particular group to apply could be considered discrimination. I wouldnt, anyway.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 11/10/2019 12:05

She actually uses the word 'biased' in her tweet. How is that not biased! Grin

Honestly some people must be a bloody nightmare to manage and not leave yourself wide open to an industrial tribunal!

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 11/10/2019 12:06

Hope someone has a screenshot. I predict that in one hour that tweet will NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/10/2019 12:12

You see a lot of it in public sector job ads, but they’re usually upfront about it in the advert and always say it’s to address under-representation. That is presumably okay, but someone posting ‘hello chaps, job coming up on my team, applications welcomed from good lads’ wouldn’t be. I mean, if I saw that, I’d assume the selection decision had already been made excluding those of my sex and wouldn’t bother applying.

(And of course I’ve got screenshots)

Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front
Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front
Stonewall helpfully flagging the bias up front
LoveGrowsWhere · 11/10/2019 12:12

I think generally encouraging under-represented groups to consider applying is acceptable.
Are T under-represented in Stonewall?
Is acceptable to say "As always I'm biased" in relation to applications ?!

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ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 11/10/2019 12:16

If you are using an exemption you need to be very clear about that and say so in your ad.

And in general I think announcing 'we are biased' to the world is frowned upon in employment law GrinGrinGrin

sue51 · 11/10/2019 12:32

I apologise for the derail, everytime I use my Amazon prime account I'm asked if I want to donate to Stonewall (no I dont). It pisses me off considerably. Its not exactly an inclusive charity if it favours one section of their community to the detriment of another.

TirisfalPumpkin · 11/10/2019 16:39

Given that trans people make up 1% of the population (generous estimate) and there’s already at least one on the team, they’re probably okay on the ‘under represented group’ front for a while. You can’t even do it as a % of LGB&T as there’s overlap, ie you could be L and T or B and T but not B and L, etc. It’s almost like T is something completely different shoe-horned in with the LGB. But I digress.

The main lol here is the idea of Stonewall relying on an EA2010 exemption to limit their recruitment to candidates who share a protected characteristic - the same right they lobbied to have removed from women’s organisations and services. Although, I think this case it’s just an inexperienced/thick member of staff excitedly tweeting without thinking, rather than speaking on behalf of the organisation.

Oldermum156 · 11/10/2019 18:28

"Men wanted"

hardgallife · 11/10/2019 19:58

I don’t think they’re the person recruiting.
I encourage women to go for roles at my work that they wouldn’t necessarily always go for. I think this is the same but trans

pachyderm · 11/10/2019 21:22

Interesting, an Irish person with close links to all our lovely TRAs. They are very connected going all the way back to the work on the UK GRA 2004.

And you can delete me for this but I see yet another mediocre, not very bright young man with a bagful of personality disorders promoted wildly beyond his capabilities. It's so tedious.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 14/10/2019 10:34

I don’t think they’re the person recruiting.

I don't think an industrial tribunal would care.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/10/2019 11:03

I don’t think they’re the person recruiting.

I don't think an industrial tribunal would care.

I agee.

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