'Trans Train part 2' Swedish documentary

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Tweet by Shelly Charlesworth.

This is an excellent analysis of the issues around hurried transitioning, ROGD and the dangers of starting transition in childhood or teens. It looks at the increasing numbers of detransitioned young people and use and effect of puberty blockers as well as the range of additional mental health issues or autism many of the gender questioning yp have as well as experiences of childhood sexual abuse. Includes some of the Tavistock coverage here.

Crucially, it also included discussion of the issues by transgender people running a trans charity in Sweden, and their own concerns about the rush to diagnose children and yp as trans.

First part of the documentary:

Can you advise when the English subtitled version is available?

Please pass this on to Big Lottery. They are funding a group whose CEO advocates for early access to puberty blockers. Let them know that they will be in the frame for being sued (so they can't claim they didn't know).

Tweeting is a good idea...

This is Shelly's tweet for anyone wanting to rt:

twitter.com/charlesworth102/status/1181895280691761157?s=21

Not sure when but somewhere mentioned that it may be available soon after.

English subtitles now up:

www.svtplay.se/video/24853942/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-sasong-20-the-trans-train-part-2

Brilliant, thank you

Thanks

Thank you so much for posting this video which should be essential viewing for all our law makers.
Our children deserve better.
I don't know what else to say I am so angry and upset.

That's a lot of "unfortunate turn[s] of phrase" to be getting into legal policy documents.

As it says in the film, "What does it mean if a minister argues for changes in legislation based on unconfirmed, uncertain figures"?
(re: the 40% suicide figures being used to argue for lowering age for genital surgery to 15)

Same as at the Tavistock with the suicide figures. Medics are not seeing anything like the reported rates of suicidality, but are using it to justify treatment. And if young people learn on the internet to say they are suicidal in order to get treatment, then the rate of reported suicidal feelings will be elevated.

And the clinician who said it takes three to six months for teens, but then faced with reality, that the cases seen had been five and six weeks, didn’t pause and consider whether that was right, but shrugged it off... “it must be fine.”

I get the impression that they perhaps started out slowly and carefully, but have accelerated as time has gone by, without assessing whether that’s appropriate. And of course, if you are following a protocol that says simply “all must be affirmed” then what is the point in delay?

Devastating, as was the first program.

Devastating, as was the first program.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I wonder how long we will have to wait before the BBC produce a similarly objective report on the situation in the UK?

Thanks for posting.

The original part 1 was very interesting as was this follow up. Very similar things happening in Sweden as are happening in the UK.

Seems many more professionals are speaking out with concern since the last documentary. Horrifying that genital surgery is being pushed for 15 yr olds on the basis of some very dodgy statistics and misleading reports.

Johanna, the young woman featured is a very good example of why caution is needed.

Has anyone got a link to part 1 please?

It's here:

These Swedish documentaries are incredible viewing, because they're actually examining what the facts are. That part where nobody can explain where they've gotten these suicide statistics from is just...

Fingers crossed for a part 3!

Thank you - I've got some catching up to do

That was really powerful. The journalist asked some really important questions - can you believe those public officials were so unthinking or biased to just repeat vague reports (probably the Stonewall one) as if it were hard evidence.

Terrifying that for all these children who attend the clinic, the only treatment path offered is transition. No talking therapy, no enquiring as to why they hate their bodies. It just seems insane-we don’t collude with anorexics and agree they are fat-they have in depth counselling to try & help them recover.

It is insane. No other medical condition would be treated like this.

Another worrying documentary, so many 'we don't know' in response to questions.

I noticed that most of the professional practitioner's interviewed in the programme were women. I wonder if this was a co-incidence and it was only women prepared to be interviewed, or if women are over represented in gender fields prior to surgery and how much 'be nice' influences their perspectives on transitioning children earlier.

can you believe those public officials were so unthinking or biased to just repeat vague reports (probably the Stonewall one) as if it were hard evidence.

I’m not sure how much time politicians would have for extensive reading around every topic they’re faced with. I should imagine in this type of case, they would be reliant on the information the experts provided. I guess in most cases, that approach would work.

The complication here is that the medical profession has been captured and everyone has been rushing forwards, confident that they’re following international best practice. Problem is that WPATH have set themselves up as the arbiter of that practice and somehow, despite their apparent lack of impartiality, they are still widely accepted as the go-to body.

It wasn't the politicians - it was the public health person who provided the report to parliament. With very misleading information about the suicides.

Another report full of lies, and specifically, lies about suicide again. Her excuse 'I can't check every comma' - it's the whole basis of the report, the abusers charter 'if you don't give me exactly what I want, immediately, I'll kill myself'.
I don't doubt that people are anguished about their physical bodies, but the blocker/hormones/surgery is not the answer.

And Johanna, oh I'm so glad she escaped.