How would you respond to this?

[Contraceptionismyfriend]

So thanks to this board I've found that I'm not comfortable with the emergence of the forceful Trans movement.

Every single day for the past week without fail my Facebook feed has had discussions regarding the Trans community and how hard they have it (my heart bleeds) usually these have just been on debate groups. One for example was how disgusting it was that people wouldn't have sex them post surgery based on them being Trans.

Anyway. Today this post has broken the camels back. How is this bloody possible?! Women (ACTUAL WOMEN) are still fighting for breastfeeding rights and protections. And while we're doing that we now have to bow down and ensure that 'chest-feeders' aren't upset by a bloody image that they don't feel represents them.

What I'm asking is. When I have jumped in and started debating my view I usually can't sound forceful or knowledgeable enough. What sources are good to read? I've seen some twitter users mentioned. I try to follow threads on here but I find they move to fast.

On this topic albeit a slight tangent the "chest feeding" thing always perplexed me - that tissue is breast tissue whether on a man or a woman - hence men can get breast cancer too - it's not called chest cancer! Chest feeding is a nonsense term.

Apologies, I didn't see how little of the image showed. I've attached it below. I don't see how it could be offensive to anyone.

The people complaining are men. There are so few trans men who would contemplate pregnancy it shouldn't matter at all that a breastfeeding charity uses the image of a woman.
It's fucking ridiculous that in the name if inclusivity they exclude the 50% of the actual population who are their target market.

But a lot of people on the post. Who are definitely female we're saying it should be inclusive. That it should change. How horrible it would be for a trans person to need support and then see a logo that excludes them.

And all I can think is, so what?! Get over yourself.

Which is why I've come here. I can't post that.

I can only assume its objectionable because the image has long lady hair (because everyone breastfeeding will have boobs with which to do it, so they can't be the upsetting thing)

And men don't have long lady hair. They have short manly man hair. How else will be know they are men or women, right?

But men who id as women can have long lady hair or short lady hair or no lady hair, as they go round bravely expanding bandwidths everywhere

But women who id as men can only have short man hair. I don't think long man hair is permitted.

I am not sure women who just are women are allowed. Probably the opposite of whatever has just been said, on an ever-changing basis.

HTH!

If the hair tapered in rather than going over the shoulder it would be more neutral. That isn't to suggest I think it's required or that these idiots have a legitimate point.

The hair was brought up and an amendment was created. I'll see if I can find it but it's literally the same but without the hair.

Also. What's this science that proves trans brains are different? Is there a peer reviewed paper I can read?

Why is this stuff appearing on your Facebook feed? Who is posting it? Do you actually know or care about these people? Can you just block/unfriend/whatever it is you do on Facebook them?

If they aren't people that matter in the real world I'd just cut them out of my life. If they are that's obviously trickier and I'd either ignore the individual posts or go with an innocent question along the lines of 'But transmen don't have babies, do they? I mean, that's the most womanly thing in the world so it would trigger their disphoria surely?'.

The trans-rights lobby movement is powerful, angry and extreme. It is also very well funded, and any women who dare to question their ideology are attacked and bullied.

You can't argue with stupid. So don't even try.

I will not use their language, as it is part of their smoke-screen. There is no debate, because they refuse any kind of debate. I find it's best to stick to simple principles of women's sex-based rights, and biological reality.

eg, you might say something like...

"In your rush to be inclusive, don't you think you are actually excluding breastfeeding mothers?"

"If the image is too feminine, maybe the mother should have shorter hair? Would that be less offensive?"

"So how would you suggest breastfeeding be simply depicted? Are you saying it should be a man breastfeeding? I don't understand how a breastfeeding mother can be offensive to any rationally-thinking person?"

"Are breastfeeding mothers now considered offensive for some reason? Please explain."

"How is this offensive to trans identifying people? Do they have a phobia about breastfeeding?"

(Questioning their thinking rather than making statements is often a useful way to shed light on this stupidity.)

Like this.

It's not individuals.
It's in groups. The above is a breastfeeding support group. The others throughout the week were in other groups.
This is what broke me. All different groups, all different genres. And every single day a trans debate has flagged up. So it must be a bigger issue than I originally thought.

It's not necessarily a bigger issue than you thought. They target specific groups which are naturally going to be talking about females.

Thank you so much @Sicario that's a really good way of working. And would probably work around all the debates.

In a nutshell - trans rights activists are looking to erase women's rights. They want access to women and women's spaces, and to remove all boundaries that exist for the protection of women. They hate us because they want to BE us.

It is a massive men's sexual rights movement. Over 80% of trans identifying men retain their penis. They (sex/violence) offend at the same rates as other men.

Good luck with your research. If you're on Twitter, just put in #trans (anything to do with) and you'll be pretty horrified by what comes up.

Make no mistake, it's a dangerous, misogynistic cess pit out there.

Damn, I stopped breastfeeding last January so left that group... otherwise i would join you in questioning...

Anything to do with women, women-only, and female boundaries is a target for them.

For example, the ladies swimming pond on Hampstead heath was a target. Even though there is a men's pond, and a separate mixed-sex pond, they demanded access to the women's pond, and got it. Women are too scared to challenge them, because they're men.

@TinyTear it's been switched off now.

So even though there was a mixed sex session they weren't happy?

Somebody did bring up the eradication of women's rights and I was wondering if that was someone here. But it did get shouted down.

They don't want mixed sex if it involves other men, only the sort of mixed sex where they are the only men as it is all about validation/forcing women to be part of their fetish.

It is definitely all about the removal of women's rights. They don't want their own spaces, they want ours.

They want our single sex spaces and services such as women’s refuges, hostels, prisons, changing rooms and hospital wards, as well as women’s sports.

Martina Navratilova and Sharon Davies are just two of the international sportswomen who have spoken out against this, and they have both been vilified for it.

Women who speak out are being pursued relentlessly and many have lost their jobs. There are several test cases coming to court. There is also a big case being heard this very day in Washington DC. It's a massive threat to women's rights and any woman who isn't scared hasn't been paying attention.

The crux of it:

How can women's hard-won, sex-based rights be protected if the definition of WOMAN is changed to include MEN?

The answer is they can't.

This is what they want. They want to be able to say "I'm a woman" and for us to be able to do absolutely nothing about it. Smear test by a female nurse? Male nurse comes in, says he's a woman, and you're not allowed to object.

This rabbit hole goes so deep it's impossible to see the bottom. And politicians are not standing up for women. They're too busy trying to appear "woke" and popular.

100 years after the suffrage movement and we are in danger of losing everything.

This image excludes breast-feeding humans who have noses and mouths! It's an outrage!

A PP above said this and it's worth repeating, the feedback you're getting on Facebook does not reflect the real world.

The AWA, trans ideologists, TRA whatever you want to call them, specifically join groups that are meant for females, be it mothers, breastfeeding women, women having periods, menstruating women, and they sign up despite never experiencing these things to goad the others in the group and infiltrate.

Just ignore it.

I love doyouminds image.
Use it! Then tell them to fuck off. (Obviously not the women you're trying to help).

Or what is it they want? Just a pair of nipples floating in front of a suckling baby?

Glad I never got round to joining that one then.

The sling group is bad enough.