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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Evening London event LSE. Dept of Gender Studies. 30 October

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Jog22 · 05/10/2019 16:55

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/what-if-the-state-no-longer-sexed-us-tickets-74816862249

This looks like it needs some sensible women attending.

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Pota2 · 05/10/2019 17:10

Oh god this is the future of legal gender project. I beg you please go along and point out that the state does not sex us- it records our biological sex. It could record that we were unicorns and it would have zero effect on our already sexed bodies.

Ask them who this is helping when they have received 750k of public funding when there are women and children living in abject poverty, when there is inadequate protection from domestic violence, where across the world women are being raped and murdered. Instead, these idiots are claiming that the reason that happens is because we have M or F in our passports and if we got rid of that the discrimination would stop.

Absolute fucking melts and the ultimate in ivory-tower-never-lived-in-the-real-world

But yes if someone articulate can give it to them both barrels then there would be much gratitude from me and others.

BarbaraStrozzi · 05/10/2019 18:03

Well it's one way to get rid of sex discrimination cases. Make it illegal to mention the word sex, don't record people's sex so you can't collect the stats, et voila - legally impossible to bring sex discrimination cases (rinse and repeat for all other forms of sex discrimanation).

Paradise for bureaucrats. Women still get screwed of course, but invisibly so, so that's okay then.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 05/10/2019 18:17

Indeed BarbaraStrozzi
No more FGM, women's health needs, period poverty, birth injuries and so on. It can all be eradicated by not noticing sex. What could possibly go wrong?

Pota2 · 05/10/2019 19:01

Well I think that’s more or less what they are advocating. They think that the issue is that the state assigns us a sex, without which there would be no discrimination or stereotypes. If we get rid of sex, we will all be free. Meanwhile refuges and rape crisis centres are closing due to lack of funding. These idiots get three quarters of a million to navel-gaze for a few years, hold some talks where they fudge all the issues, do some surveys filled with leading questions directed towards their ideology and presumably eventually come up with a great solution that we should just stop recording sex because it doesn’t actually ‘exist’.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 05/10/2019 19:17

it's a classic example of the gravy train that's diverting society from all the important issues in favour of the narcissistic demands of predatory males.

BickerinBrattle · 05/10/2019 19:18

Unfortunately, men will still sex us. What do they imagine will stop THAT? And since men hold controlling power at every level of society, from government to law to finance to policing to medicine — what do they imagine will change?

WTF do they think patriarchy IS?

Pota2 · 05/10/2019 19:58

Precisely. I mean it’s amazing how without seeing any of my ID documents, society can still figure out that I am a woman. Maybe the stage tattooed GIRL on my forehead and I am just too thick to see it.

Also ignores the important work done by Caroline Criado Perez about how the bodily differences between men and women are vital to address and how failing to address them puts women at huge risk. It’s not just about sticking a random label on people. It’s the fact that female bodies are different to male ones and have different needs and requirements.

Obviously on this all-white, all-middle class project, such issues are unimportant yet they probably all sit round slapping themselves on the back for being so woke and intersectional. Also, because they work in academia and few of them have worked outside it, they have no clue about what ordinary women have to put up with in their working and personal lives in terms of sexual harassment and abuse.

CharlieParley · 05/10/2019 20:31

I think this kind of thinking is now standard among the intelligentsia.

I took part in the recent "Scotland's Women Stand" event, for example, designed to encourage more women in Scotland to participate in public life and ultimately to stand for election.

We were treated to a two-hour opening session that consisted of a lot of speeches by self-identified feminists and a panel discussion decrying and discussing the barriers women face that result in our underrepresentation.

Words not mentioned once:

Patriarchy
Sex
Sex-based discrimination (or anything that referred to the basis of our oppression and ultimately our underrepresentation)

IIRC, sexism got a brief mention.

And I wasn't the only one who took note of that. There was no tea or coffee offered with lunch, which meant I found myself being ushered through the parliament building alongside two other attendees I had never met and who were as bewildered by this glaring omission as I was.

Of course I had an inkling that this might happen as the whole event was put on by (and probably preferably for) liberal feminists, but these two women didn't know about the current debate and were thoroughly confused by the absolute omission of any proper feminist analysis of the root cause of the issue we were all there to address.

Mind you, I would have loved to ask them what they made of the disproportionate number of blokes claiming womanhood who were there and who had inexplicably managed to secure tickets despite a waiting list that had another 500 women on it. Not a clue how these men can be thought to be facing the same barriers as women do, even if it's only to justify giving them a ticket.

And the panel discussion was predictably derailed from focussing on women several times by irrelevant questions on men claiming womanhood and non-binary people.

But hey, ho, mustn't grumble and all that...

Nah, only kidding. We went to the pub afterwards and met up with some disability rights activists (and radfems) who had a few choice words to say about this libfem appreciation fest that spent more time talking about including men claiming womanhood than disabled actual fucking women. And that put the accessibility workshop in the most awkward space to get to.

But hurrah for trans inclusion (except for females who identify as trans. They don't seem to count. Ever. Not even for that event).

Pota2 · 05/10/2019 20:39

Libfems are the worst, seriously.

Gingerkittykat · 06/10/2019 07:18

Would it be a good idea to no longer have a legal gender?

We don't have a legal gender, we have a legal sex. Problem solved.

Pota2 · 06/10/2019 07:56

And it’s not even a legal sex. If we took away law, our sex would still exist. Animals aren’t governed by law and they still have a biological sex.

TheCuriousMonkey · 06/10/2019 09:36

Oh the irony that this will be at Pankhurst House. Emmeline, Sylvia and Christobel would, I suspect, think that have very little time for genderism.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 09:40

That just made my head hurt. So did the ‘You night like this’ event suggestion of gender and men (bla bla bla - women live longer than men because of gender - eh??)

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 09:42

I remember seeing L Madigan crowing on Twitter about women living longer than men.

I think a point might have been missed somewhere.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 09:45

What’s that got to do with ol’ lil?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 06/10/2019 09:48

Exactly my thought Grin

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 09:51

Girl thoughts innit. It’s our ‘pink thinks’ that keep us going. Not as a ‘reward’ because we have to put up with men (as my mum used to say)

IsadoraQuagmire · 06/10/2019 09:59

They don't even know their own address, it's Pankhurst Tower, not Pankhurst House. I was looking at the signs by the lifts there, a couple of weeks ago, and thinking the Department of Gender Studies sounded like a bunch of idiotsHmm

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 10:08

Whatever happened to Women’s studies eh?

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