i heard about uterus transplant in uk, (creepy sad )

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there is (will be) uterus transplant experiment for tw...so...

if that succeed what will happen?

my expectation is

'feeling' become more important.
(basically you can change bio)

there's no male/female category anymore.

but Stereotypes are more emphasized.
(cause there's no stereotype you can't feel like man/woman)

religiously there will be some special statue for trans people.(man but mother statue)
(religion says god didn't make a mistake but they are very focused on motherhood so pregnant tw can be seen kind of woman....so they will make Compromise )

most creepy part, actually uterus price will go down.
and there's lot of imported uterus....(hmm)

There have been developments with uterus implants into women who either had no womb or whose womb was unable to maintain a pregnancy.

If we're talking about uterus implants into male bodies, I can't see this being more than a pipe dream. As already commented above, it's unlawful in the UK to implant an embryo into a male body. I can't see how any researchers or doctors would persuade law-makers to change the law on this.

We're not talking about the next stage of Dolly the sheep cloning science, but rather the loss of hundreds of human embryos in an attempt to help a male person carry a foetus.

I feel that it's more likely that we'll develop embryo to full-term incubators before we develop viable (or ethical) male pregnancies.

Better uterus transplants than surrogates, I reckon.

There aren’t enough specialist NHS beds for actual life-saving organ transplants at the moment (www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47668136) so that’s another reason that this is unlikely to happen here.

Immunosuppressive drugs are proper bonkers things. I posted some side effects on one of the previous threads about this: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3358945/

Potentially, making uterus transplants available to transwomen would open a legal challenge to make them available to all men. Clearly that’s not gonna go down well with governments and religions worldwide.

Will be interesting to see what the pro life lobby take from this Brave New Woman stuff.

How many embryos will be lost in the misguided attempt to validate some trans-woman's womanhood?

I expect that they will go bat shit.

Posts under 'feminism chat' are always so bizarre

scientist and doctors don't see people human anymore.

As a scientist I consider that slanderous.

Experiments on humans will happen at some point in the not so distant future. It'll be some poor Young adult with Autism that's the Guinean pig, someone who has been sold a bunch of lies.

After all we all know this very thing has happened before.

Sorry OP but this seems a bit silly and scare mongering.

Ethics aside, I doubt any PI insurance policy would cover the surgeons who undertook such an operation.

(There is already talk of legal action from some detransitioners who regret feeling rushed into surgery as teens - a bad outcome from an attempted implant would be even worse.)

Recipients of uterus transplants have to have their own working ovaries and be able to menstruate for six months before a pregnancy is attempted.
Given that men don’t have ovaries, they will never have a functioning uterus.
There is a worldwide protocol governing uterine transplant, it specifies Female only recipients. The ethical issues alone would prevent any attempt at pregnancy in a Male body, they don’t even allow experiments on a fertilized ova after a couple of weeks.

it specifies Female only recipients

But female now means “gender feels” according to the NHS and several courts in the USA

I'm shocked that it is deemed safe to carry a pregnancy while on immunosuppressants.

If it does work then there will be the problem of rich women buying uteruses from poor women, there is already a black market in kidneys.

I still think they would need a specific change in the law. The research team at Imperial College thought that the Equality Act would provide for this but in my view this is a misunderstanding.

Theres a lot of articles going around on this issue, with some saying that it will be possible before long. I don’t see how because it’s not about just creating a space for a baby to grow, it’s about the function of the entire system to feed the baby and keep it safe.
But here there’s a doctor saying it could be possible
www.out.com/news-opinion/2018/12/06/can-uterus-transplants-make-it-possible-trans-women-give-birth

Not even any ethical objections- “a male or trans patient wishing to gestate a child does not have a lesser claim to that desire than their female counterparts” (!)

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Not even any ethical objections- “a male or trans patient wishing to gestate a child does not have a lesser claim to that desire than their female counterparts” (!)

If you read the links I posted (there is a google drive to documents on the MN thread), they call it AUFI (absolute uterine factor infertility, which is what they would call the condition of women who were born without a womb or have had a hysterectomy). Imperial College are conducting research to gauge the level of demand for MTF uterus transplants. They go into quite a lot of detail as to how they would do it.

It'll never happen...

Yeah, you'll excuse me for thinking that's a load of bollocks given we are expected to believe that men can literally become women. And if they are literal women then why cant they have a uterus you transphobes.

he suggests this could be overridden by the Equality Act as it would be "discrimination" against MTF trans people (if the transplant is performed on women here) on the grounds of gender reassignment

That's completely backwards, isn't it?

Surely the EA would mean it's discrimination not to perform a transplant on a female transman, where other females are allowed them?

And if tw were allowed them then it'd be discrimination not to allow all men to have them?

I find the whole idea fairly terrifying, because it centres around the principle that a subset of males are entitled to wombs. Which is Gilead territory, isn't it?

Surely the EA would mean it's discrimination not to perform a transplant on a female transman, where other females are allowed them?

And if tw were allowed them then it'd be discrimination not to allow all men to have them?

Yes, that's how I would interpret it. Unless said people had GRCs and so were legally the opposite "sex" as far as sex based legislation goes.

There are different immunosuppressants that can be given - that study is just for cyclosporine. They are very hot on medication for transplant patients who want to carry a pregnancy - DH is a kidney transplant patient (with tacrolimus though rather than cyclosporine) so I ended reading a lot of medical studies on the affects of his immunosuppressants on fetuses. It is not as bad for the male partner, but there is a lot more danger for the female, particularly with a higher risk of birth defects.

Trust me, womb transplants are about as likely as a brain transplant (ie impossible). The womb is a muscular sac. It’s not the womb itself but the woman’s entire body and the careful balance of hormones that grows a baby. You can’t do it by attaching an organ to, well, what exactly? What are they even planning on attaching it to? Just no way. Anyone who says it is a possibility is either deluded, dumb as shit or just looking to stir things up.

And for all their talk, I doubt that Lily M et al would actually volunteer to have a transplant op because it would be almost doomed to fail and would result in serious physical pain.

This is how the Imperial College team say it could be done. They propose to remove the vagina and connecting tissues from the donor and implant them into the recipient.

All on this google drive:

drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1PQuMJAkGc7jex5Kgr9EEvlIqkSmsbBGg?usp=drive_open

They propose to remove the vagina and connecting tissues from the donor and implant them into the recipient.

I’ll patiently await the proposed surgery for a male to donate his knob and bollocks to a trans man then.

I guess I’ll be waiting a while.

I await hearing news of stunning brave volunteers for this idiotic experimental surgery. I am guessing that there will probably be zero.

And I am guessing that as they have a lady brain already then it will magically be able to regulate the hormones so that a placenta is formed etc. If these twits could get back to trying to cure cancer instead, that would be great.

Bear in mind that there are also doctors who think that you can be frozen and brought back to life in the future. A medical degree appears to be no guarantee of intelligence.

Seven billion humans in the world, Pota. There's got to be at least one with their head in such a muddle they'd think it was a good idea.

Which is of course not a good reason for anyone to attempt it.

I do worry for the kids being taught that this is going to be possible for them though. And not just because they're going to have this particular hope dashed. No one I've seen championing the idea has ever given much (if any) thought to a realistic consideration of whose wombs are going to be hypothetically transplanted.

I quite agree, just wanted to point out that institutions like Imperial College, very renowned for science, are looking at this in the UK and are estimating that there is a demand.

What they say about the donor is that currently they imagine it can only be done with cadavers due to it being such radical surgery but it's possible in future that FTM donors may accept the much higher risk than a hysterectomy and I guess they see a live donor as preferable.