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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Helen Mirren thinks she's just a point on a spectrum.

67 replies

Lamahaha · 01/10/2019 08:20

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7522349/Dame-Helen-Mirren-reveals-doesnt-believe-binary-sexuality.html

Why do celebrities think their opinion is in any way valid, just because they're famous? Why do people bother to listen to them and write articles about their beliefs?

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 01/10/2019 11:41

I feel like a lot of negative stereotypes about luvvies are applicable here. Not the most clued in group of people, on average, especially since it became mostly a profession for those who don't really need to make a living.

Lamahaha · 01/10/2019 11:58

Not to mention A-list actress whatshername (senior moment here), raising her adopted African son as a girl, or vice versa.

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ErrolTheDragon · 01/10/2019 12:32

She seems totally confused between sexuality (which can be a point on a spectrum het/bi/homo sexual) , gender (sure, we're all 'nonbinary', it simply shouldn't be remarkable) and sex which is immutably binary.

Perhaps performers are liable to give undue weight to performance?

nauticant · 01/10/2019 12:47

Don't forget that these actresses live, and mix, in a bohemian world, in which holding to certain seemingly radical notions about individuality is the norm.

A remarkable example of that is the die-hard support of a sexually abusive cult leader Gerry Healy by Vanessa Redgrave:

After Michael Banda, the general secretary of the party, publicly commented that Healy had probably sexually abused more than 26 women,[18] Vanessa Redgrave said at a press conference that "these allegations are all lies and the women who are supposed to have made them are all liars. I don't care whether it's 26, 36 or 236. They are all liars"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Healy

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/10/2019 12:49

I’m going to go against the grain here. I don’t think the article gives enough info to judge her position either way.

Anyone can say “TWAW”, but what do they actually mean? Eg, do they still believe women should have access to female-only rape crisis support etc? Do they still believe that female homosexuality is fine?

If they do - then they are saying “TWAW” as a courtesy.

I think (hope?) that Dame Mirren does still believe in women’s rights, and will be able to clarify at some point.

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/10/2019 12:53

(To clarify though - I did not agree with her comments and also think they were quite insensitive to people with DSDs.)

NotBadConsidering · 01/10/2019 12:59

Charlize Theron.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 01/10/2019 13:08

I'm disappointed she doesn't understand the difference between sex, and gender stereotypes. How hard is it?
I thought she was brighter than this.

Justhadathought · 01/10/2019 13:09

I've found genderism to be massive in the theatre world. Absolutely uncritically accepted. I was put off one of my favourite directors, Emma Rice, when she instituted 'gender blind' casting and made Bill from Malory Towers non binary!!

Well, yes, a nice little warm up exercise in the theatre or the drama studio, but not in real life.

RoyalCorgi · 01/10/2019 13:24

I think Emma Thompson is pretty intelligent. I've seen her interviewed a few times and she comes across well. Plus, she wrote the film script for Sense and Sensibility which has to count for something, surely.

ScreamingBeans · 01/10/2019 13:28

I think if you've been taught to write essays and do precis and so on as part of a rigorous education, plus you move in that world and actually Jane Austen has written much of the script for you, your script is going to be pretty good if you're half-way competent, tbh. I don't think it proves that someone is really intelligent, just ordinarily intelligent IYSWIM.

nauticant · 01/10/2019 13:30

I think Emma Thompson will jump on any progressive bandwagon that suits the Emma Thompson brand:

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17472457.women-hit-back-at-archaic-and-damaging-views-on-transgender-rights-in-scathing-open-letter/

SkaraBrae · 01/10/2019 13:35

What has Juliet Stephenson said?

magicstar1 · 01/10/2019 13:58

Why do celebrities think their opinion is in any way valid, just because they're famous? Why do people bother to listen to them and write articles about their beliefs?

The more I read about celebrities giving their opinions, the more I remember Elvis and what he answered when asked about the Vietnam war etc.

"I'd just sooner keep my own personal views about that to myself cause I'm just an entertainer and I'd rather not say".
I wish more of them would take his lead.

Waterl00 · 01/10/2019 13:58

Helen Mirren was on the Graham Norton show last week with RuPaul talking about her son's drag venue in America.

None of this means that the exemptions for actual single sex services in the Equality Act should be ignored and misrepresented or removed.

ScreamingBeans · 01/10/2019 15:37

What has Juliet Stephenson said?

She was doing Caucasian Chalk Circle and she said that it wasn't a political play.

I could hear Brecht turning in his grave and I realised that she literally had no idea what the play she was starring in, was about.

Up until then I'd assumed that she was intelligent because she spoke and behaved as though she were.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/10/2019 15:41

I lost respect for Helen Mirren when she claimed she never knew about Harvey Weinstein abusing women. everyone knew. There was even a joke in 30 Rock about him.

She is a prize dingbat. Can’t quite decide if she is dumb or pandering to the rainbow. As someone else said - she doesn’t need to worry about mixed wards, refuges, prisons or changing a doctor at will.

MockersthefeMANist · 01/10/2019 15:54

Whaaaaaat?

Emma "I plant trees" Thomson flying over from LA to tell us all to stop flying the flying back.

She can effoff

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/10/2019 16:21

She’s a throw-women-under-the-bus preachy twonk.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/10/2019 16:23

Well my Christmas card list is getting shorter by the day...

HandsOffMyRights · 01/10/2019 16:26

Not forgetting Emma Watson of course and her Fruit of the Loom T Shirt slogan.

But surely the older women Like Mirren, with more lived experience, should know better?
Mind you, Madonna said something about 'gender' that made me go Hmm

Charliez and Angelina are parodies, surely?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/10/2019 16:28

Lobbies who don’t live in the real world. Wait until they visit their aunts Doris or Cousin Enid on the ‘same sex’ ward and meet Dave from Detford in he next bed.

HandsOffMyRights · 01/10/2019 16:37

It's not just this gender nonsense either.

Surrogacy and porn are other topics where privileged celebs are also detatched from reality.

I was watching The Young Ones 'Scumbag College' episode and I'm not sure it was too much of a stretch for Thompson to play the role of oink smasher.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 01/10/2019 17:03

Yy to actors not being that intelligent. See Benedict Cumberbatch. I think it was Maxine Peake who commented on it (actors appearing to be super brainy) and said something like “well if you’re that clever you should be a brain surgeon, not an actor!”

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/10/2019 17:04

There’s brainy and there’s smart. My sister had a friend who (really) was a nuclear physicist - daft as a brush and couldn’t work out how to use a microwave. Could probably build a rocket though.

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