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Yeahnahyeah · 01/10/2019 00:03

Black women murdered in 2019
Google this.

Don't tell me big tech is not influencing us. I first noticed this after realizing the reason I was so late to the party re trans issues was mainly due to mainstream media and fecken algorithms.

I am, or was, hard left. Now I am politically homeless as are lots of us. But criky even I have to admit how left wing Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all the Biggie's are. They have too much power and (I can't believe I'm saying this) I have some sympathy for Trump and his supporters regarding the fake news narrative.

What we're your results? Oh and the Google search above isn't something that's gone viral so as to impact any algorithm.

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 09:40

And he concludes from this that there is a conscious bias, on the part of Google itself, towards gay and black people, deliberately written into the algorithms.

In his book he apparently explains how this bias came from a place of good. Yup, shut down white supremacists et al. But it's becoming corrupted.

The reason my tingly senses have been.....well, tingling, is that just shy of a year ago I stumbled on the word 'terf' and was directed here (thankfully).

After getting up to date with all the issues I had to ask myself why I had been oblivious to the issues.... this lead to questioning Mainstream Media (MSM) even my trusty Guardian, BBC NYT etc at the time. Because the bias became clear.

I had been sucking up the narrative presented.

So, what else had I benignly sucked up?

It's completely changed my world view on how I stand politically. I've left the left but am homeless. Joe Rogan is closest to how I feel about all this.

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 09:46

FFS not Joe Rogan!!!

Dave Rubin.

Mind you, Joe's ok too.

Are you judging me as a white supremist, Nazi, fascist yet???

GrinGrinGrin

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PerkingFaintly · 03/10/2019 09:59

You're in Australia, Yeahnahyeah. It's interesting that there are no Australian news sources in your list.

What do you think of Australian media?

PerkingFaintly · 03/10/2019 10:14

From the reviews of his book, and Douglas Murray's own comments about it, it appears his premise is that sexism, racism and homophobia are now “over”, therefore feminism, etc, are unnecessary.

Does that seem accurate from what you've read of it?

I'm not sure you'll find much agreement with that belief on this board. Or indeed anywhere on MN – have you seen the relationship board?

If Murray is working from the premise that this oppression doesn't exist, it's hardly surprising if he doesn't see it.

I despise the use of identity to cause division and set people against each other. It's so often expressed in terms of “You're an X; so you must be utterly different from and against that Y person,” quite ignoring the fact we're both Qs and indeed humans, and have as much in common as we have different. It's a constant attempt to promote division.

However I'm not daft enough to think that therefore I don't have these identities at all, or that other people won't treat me according to their perception of them. I'm not going to not be raped if I don't think of myself as a woman, or not be discriminated against for promotion if I was still a 20-something woman.

As it happens, Google has a history of returning racist results, including famously categorising photos of black people as gorillas in 2015. Some of this is because of algorithms not being very good (Google recognises this and is working on them); some is, as PP say, because Google reflects what's on the internet.

Google alters search autocomplete to remove 'are Jews evil' suggestion
www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/05/google-alters-search-autocomplete-remove-are-jews-evil-suggestion

This is not the first time Google and others’ autocomplete and search algorithms have caused offence. An auto-suggested photo tag within Google’s Photos service in July 2015 labelled two black teenagers as “Gorillas”. Google apologised andsaid it was workingon “longer term fixes” around the recognition of dark-skinned faces as well as the linguistics of photo labels.

In May 2015, Google apologised when the White Housewas returned as a resultfor searches for “n [...] house” and “n [...] king” within Google maps.

Google declined to explain why the results occurred but a spokesperson said: “Some inappropriate results are surfacing in Google Maps that should not be, and we apologise for any offence this may have caused.”

In April this year Google apologised after a search for “unprofessional hairstyles for work” yielded image results showing predominantly black women with natural hair, while searching for “professional” ones returned pictures of coiffed, white women.

In June, Google’s image search also caused offence by returning criminal mugshots for searches of “three black teenagers” but not for “three white teenagers”.

Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 10:31

No, I'm a Kiwi, and we are in the very real-time process of cognitive and policy capture.

Hardly any support. SUFW - Standing Up For Women - is our main lifeline.

speakupforwomen.nz/

Ani O'Brien is spokeswoman. You may have read her seminal blog:

medium.com/@aniobrien/misogyny-to-the-left-of-me-chauvinism-to-the-right-here-i-am-stuck-in-the-middle-with-you-4d48de1babca

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 10:43

You're in Australia, Yeahnahyeah. It's interesting that there are no Australian news sources in your list.

We have just concluded a murder of a vulnerable teenager woman. 'Miss Winter' had nary a mention of her trans status.

We are trying to be more woke than Canada

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 10:51

Here is a typical example of our media in NZ. A Member if Parliament saying 'we don't want any fucking Terfs at our pride parade'. ....Ha, auto correct capitalized terf'.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12168621

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 10:54

*Speak Up For Women, not Standing Up.
Duh. Still, it fits.

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FairyJuice · 03/10/2019 11:06

This has been going on for a while now, I remember googling it after a similar thread on MN last year or the year before.

Out of interest, I would love to take a look through the SEO and metadata of these sites to see if it's something being done purposely by the LGBTQ community.

If you click into the sites, you will more than likely boost the rankings though Hmm

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