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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Black women's perspectives on gender ideology

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RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 24/09/2019 16:25

I haven't seen anything on this board (though may have missed it) about the fallout from Malik Yoba's appearance on The Breakfast Club radio show (Malik Yoba best known as an actor on some 90's show; The Breakfast Show a very important media outlet with a largely Black American audience), during which he addressed being 'trans attracted' (i.e attracted and having had relationships with transwomen, while still considering himself a heterosexual man who loves "all women").

There were guests on the show - two transwomen and a gay man (I think he described himself as 'same gender attracted') who seemed to be there mainly to police everyone's language, and who helpfully informed everyone that their sex had been assigned to them by an obstetrician and there's "nothing natural about" being born a biological female.

Anyway what I have found interesting and encouraging is the pushback by several Black women vloggers / social media types, against the imposition of the label 'cis' on their experience, and against the blatant disrespect for the lived experience of womanhood that gender id ideology represents.

There are a few really powerful responses to be found (though I wouldn't agree with every statement in each of them) and I wanted to share one here, from MsLess on YouTube:
MsLess . Her delivery reminds me a bit of Penny White in that she's softly spoken and speaks slowly, but is very clear, calm and thoughtful in her critique.

I'd also be interested to know of others have come across critiques / responses from black women's perspectives which may have passed me by. FWIW I think that race is relevant due to the way in which some TRAs conflate racism / white privilege with 'transphobia' / 'cis privilege'; appropriate and redefine the concept of intersectionality so that it's now used interchangably with 'centring transwomen'; and dismiss or demonise critiques of genderist ideology as 'white feminism.'

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VictoriaSpongeAndTea · 24/09/2019 19:33

I've seen some pushback on twitter, but many accounts don't identify the tweeters race, on here you can't tell either.

DreadPirateLuna · 25/09/2019 10:41

I stumbled on Lipstick Alley, an African American forum with a Feminism board.

Popchyk · 25/09/2019 11:00

Allison Bailey, criminal defence barrister, has had plenty to say recently.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison

"Calling any and all gender critical psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists and psychoanalysts. Please bring any relevant research to my attention. I’m especially interested in gender dysphoria in girls & ‘malignant’ GD in sex offending males. Use a anon account, if necessary".

"These are the two areas that most concern me & are most concerning: its impact on vulnerable girls and young women, and safeguarding against predatory males. I’ll disseminate the info online & it will inform my advocacy and hopefully assist in putting pressure on policymakers".

Also Sister Outrider is vocal on Twitter.

twitter.com/claireshrugged?lang=en

sisteroutrider.wordpress.com/

BarbaraStrozzi · 25/09/2019 11:26

One thing I noticed when the Jenner front cover photoshoot coincided with the Rachel Dolzeal scandal is that just about the only voices I saw coming from the left and publicly sticking up for women were black - I'm guessing because they immediately connected the dots and saw that the emperor had no clothes on.

Hulo · 25/09/2019 11:40

We're out there even though our existence is frequently refuted!

Grace Adetoro and her infamous terf rap

Dr. Dina McMillan who also does work on domestic violence

twitter.com/drdina1

Jana Cornel who has got an incredible amount of grief from TRAs while she campaigns against FGM

twitter.com/RadfemJana

There are plenty more - we often follow each other so can be found that way

And Lipstick Alley is a good one - the LGBT section can also be good as well as the feminist one

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 25/09/2019 14:54

Thanks everyone.. will check out the links. FlowersFlowersFlowersFlowersFlowers

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Hulo · 25/09/2019 16:30

One more:

Great thread from @therestofus5

twitter.com/therestofus5/status/1176848641920851969

Hulo · 25/09/2019 16:32

Whoops - thread didn't work!

You can find her on Twitter anyway

Socrates11 · 26/09/2019 23:14

Zeze knocks The Breakfast Club interview out-of the park.
Zeze rocks!

Ereshkigal · 26/09/2019 23:16

She does!

TheAlternativeTentacle · 26/09/2019 23:20

Zeze - yes. Totally brilliant rant.

ChattyLion · 27/09/2019 07:49

Great thread OP

HandsOffMyRights · 27/09/2019 09:21

I used to follow Sister Outrider on Twitter before I got booted off by TRAs.

Brilliant posts.

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 28/09/2019 13:03

Thanks again for the links everyone. Have just spent my Saturday morning getting familiar with lots of them. I haven't seen @XXIncarnate mentioned here but Hulo I found her through the thread you posted... she is fab.

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