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BBC bias - John Humphries

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 15:05

He has a book to sell but nevertheless is being blunt about the bias at the bbc, given his stature it is a shame he couldn’t have done more when he worked there:

“One temptation the BBC sometimes finds hard to resist is social engineering. Yet its job is to hold up a mirror to society and reflect back to the audiences what it sees. For good or ill.

It should not try to create society in its own image. It should not try to place its powerful finger on one side of the scale of social justice.

Which is why I raised my eyebrows when the BBC announced it had created the new post of LGBT correspondent — and the man appointed said: ‘I’m looking forward to being the mouthpiece for some marginalised groups . . .’ It was the use of the word ‘mouthpiece’ that jarred. Obviously, the BBC must give a voice to minorities, but it must not act as anyone’s mouthpiece. That’s what lobbyists and public relations people do. To confuse the two is to undermine the job of a journalist.

Imagine a defence correspondent announcing that he sees himself as the mouthpiece for the Armed Forces. Or the health correspondent as the mouthpiece of the NHS.

Or even, heaven forfend, the royal correspondent as the mouthpiece of the Royal Family.

It worries me that the nation has become susceptible to certain pressure groups in a way that we should all find disturbing.

Academics call it ‘policy capture’. It means influencing policy — even dictating it — through fear rather than argument. They destroy those who disagree with them, often through personal attacks on their character or by sheer intimidation.”

Sorry for the Dailyfail link but one of the few papers speaking up:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7487661/Broadcaster-John-Humphrys-lifts-lid-institutional-liberal-bias-BBC.html

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yulet · 21/09/2019 15:26

Interesting comment:

"George Orwell, also thought the BBC was like the Kremlin! He worked for the BBC at one time, and it shows in his writings. The dictatorship revealed in '1984' was heavily influenced by his work there."

I've always known they were a tool for state propaganda, but never paid that much attention as I don't watch or use it. However, it's only since disagreeing on one tiny premise (that people can't change sex) that I've felt the full feeling of what it's like to have an institution set against me. It's terrifying when you really think about it.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 21/09/2019 15:31

Good for him for speaking out.

shame he took a paycheque from them for many years.

teawamutu · 21/09/2019 15:51

Yes yulet, you're right - I think I used to dismiss the BBC bias accusations because they tended to fit quite nicely with my own views. It's pretty shaming now I look back (from the wrong side of history blah blah etc).

MockersthefeMANist · 21/09/2019 16:12

There is not a "The BBC." There are many BBCs each with its own agenda. Quite a few of them are Oxbridge mafias. Some see themselves as the broadcasting branch of an 'industry' whose job is to be loyal to the record companies, talent agencies* and other such institutions such as supply most or all of whatever they broadcast.

The audience, in so far as they are considered at all, are children, perhaps even pets, to be kept pacified and compliant with the wishes of the gravy train.

(*one talent agent in particular. The power of John Noel is a wonder to behold. He got his receptionist her own show on BBC1 because she could do an impression of Sonia from EastEnders.)

Coyoacan · 21/09/2019 16:44

I have always loathed John Humphreys and now he has waited until his retirement to tell the truth.

MrGHardy · 21/09/2019 16:51

"Sorry for the Dailyfail link"

Can we stop with that? Just because something is in The Daily Mail, or any other newspaper, does not a priori make it bad or wrong.

That thinking is exactly why politics has become polarized in the world.

MrsSnippyPants · 21/09/2019 16:55

Can we stop with that? Just because something is in The Daily Mail, or any other newspaper, does not a priori make it bad or wrong.

Hear hear MrG

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 21/09/2019 17:09

I think I used to dismiss the BBC bias accusations because they tended to fit quite nicely with my own views. It's pretty shaming now I look back

Blind followers are slowly waking up and thinking, there's nothing for you to feel shamed about, we've all been there / are there at various stages (Mine was Savile and yewtree and working out just how much they covered up / refused to report on), we have all been brought up under the BBC gaze and all have to shake that attachment.

Over the last year it's been amazing, so many people have realised they are individuals, they don't have to like what and who the BBC tell them to, they don't have to apologies for reading the wrong paper and it's okay to go against the grain.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/09/2019 17:26

If the "wrong" paper is the only one covering a topic and the "right" ones refuse to provide me with any information than what choice do I have? I would therefore suggest that if the "right" paper is outraged that people are reading the "wrong" one then maybe the people working at the "right" paper should do their bloody jobs and actually cover current issues.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 21/09/2019 17:32

the "right" paper should do their bloody jobs and actually cover current issues.

That would require a backbone.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 17:46

Fair cop about the paper. Blush

You are right. The paper has published this. Indeed the Dailymail and the Times are the only papers that publish this stuff a lot of the time.

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 17:48

But I feel I still have to apologise for posting a link so dripping in clickbait ads.

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 17:54

Ah. Why didn’t I think of this before - click on the text button and it is a lot easier to read.

I think the problem with the dailymail, not unique to them and increasingly part of the BBC, is the focus on celebrity gossip. I do feel uncomfortable with that intrusion into private lives. But as I said, it is common to all media now.

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 17:58

Is there any way for the BBC to change now? I do like watching programs without ads but at what cost? JH mentions someone who presented evidence of bias to the board and was told to F off. I doubt the board has changed now so is there anyone with teeth to hold them to account or should they now be cast off and effectively ‘privatised’ so at least we can stop paying the licence fee?

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RoyalCorgi · 21/09/2019 18:04

There are plenty of gender-critical women at the BBC. It's a huge organisation, with lots of different views. I don't regard the BBC as the state mouthpiece, but I do think that because it's publicly funded it is careful to keep the government of the day on side where it can.

But compare the BBC to any other media organisation and it is much better at providing a platform for a variety of opposing views than most.

I am interested as to how the BBC has got into the situation where it parrots extreme transactivist views so uncritically, however. My best guess is a concerted attempt at infiltration by MRAs/TRAs - that seems to have happened in a number of other organisation such as Stonewall, the teaching unions, the major political parties etc so I don't see why the BBC would be any different.

MidCenturyVintageWoman · 21/09/2019 18:50

biasedbbc.org/ I've been following and contributing to this site on and off for yonks. It gladdens my heart that people are finally beginning to wake up.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 19:58

but I do think that because it's publicly funded it is careful to keep the government of the day on side where it can

We haven’t had a liberal left government for some time.

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Coyoacan · 22/09/2019 03:20

But compare the BBC to any other media organisation and it is much better at providing a platform for a variety of opposing views than most

Well, I've been living in Mexico for many's the long year. Compared to Mexican media, the BBC has some really good comedy and drama. But, as far as news is concerned, I was shocked to realise a few years ago that it is as bad as our really appalling Mexican TV companies.

It has been coasting on a reputation it earned a long time ago that has been seriously let down by the current bunch. That said, occasionally some truth manages to slip in among all the lies.

skql · 22/09/2019 05:08

ok i don't get it...

how can certain media that keep saying propaganda about
some ideology be "right" media?

at this point there's no right/wrong media.

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