Douglas Murray 'The White Lies of the Gay Press'

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I am very much looking forward to reading his book.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/the-white-lies-of-the-gay-press/

Same I like him

Haha. I honestly didn't know he was gay. All the sweeter!!

"In neither publication, spanning both sides of the Atlantic, did either publication tell its readers that I am gay. Indeed that I was the only gay in the studio on this occasion. Either they do not know this, or they fail to mention it because it is unhelpful for the real political nature of their argument."

Not content with erasing women’s narratives, they want to erase gay men too? It won’t end well.

"In the same way the gay press has staggered on, mainly online, long after it should have shut up shop. It ekes out an existence, with hardly any readers, paying its contributors nothing or almost nothing, trying to whip up the gays over niche issues of trans rights, and maintaining a skeleton staff paid in launch bash canapés and free items sent to them for review."

It would be interesting to see Pink News and Spectator readership figures side by side.

Presumably they would include people surprised to find the Spectator a more comfortable, sensible place, not perhaps something they would have predicted a decade before.

I dislike little lies because little lies tend to end up becoming big lies.

Absolutely. It's baffling how many of those who call themselves liberals or left wing quickly demonise anyone who is on the right or conservative and make fun of 'alternative facts'.... And yet a lot of the liberal media and establishments and organisations publish their very own selective versions of the truth, ignoring anything that doesn't conveniently prop up their ideological viewpoint.

Hmm. I read a quotation in an Amazon review of his book that claimed that if you do a Google image search for “gay couples” you see lots of aspirational photos of happy smiling gay couples. I tested this. It is correct. Then he claimed that if you search for “straight couples” you get half and half gay and straight couples and lots of captions about how straight couples can learn from gay couples, who are happier and more well-adjusted. And that this is evidence of liberal elite media bias. It is true that if you search “straight couples” that is what you see. But if you just search “couples” you get happy attractive straight people. No sight or mention of gay relationships anywhere. So I think he’s seeing what supports his argument and ignoring quite a lot of context.

However it did amuse me how excited Posie P was about her name check. It’s the least angry I’ve ever seen her.

"I read a quotation in an Amazon review of his book that claimed that if you do a Google image search for “gay couples” you see lots of aspirational photos of happy smiling gay couples. I tested this. It is correct."
If you do an image search for 'gay couples' they are almost all male couples. So, despite all the claims that 'gay' is inclusive, it is so outrageously male dominated that just shows it ain't true. And all those former lesbians eagerly calling themselves gay, or even queer (or whatever other thing is the in phrase today for those females who are attracted to other females, assuming such a discriminatory sexual orientation still exists.........) are just helping it along.

Mind you, I tried another term and also got some amusing pictures of that chap who appeared in both Mary Poppins films...............

I'm not on the same side, politically, as Douglas, but I did enjoy this. I had a good old chortle at "Afua Hirsch who is the author of a memoir about her own upbringing, in which she describes how she managed to flee the badlands of Wimbledon only to suffer in the hood of Oxford University."

I find myself “rhyming” with people like Douglas Murray, even though I’m far apart from them politically. Maybe politics has harmonics to it, in an analogous way to music?

I totally think politics has harmonics.

Sunday Times has an interview with Douglas Murray today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/douglas-murray-interview-the-tyranny-of-woke-thinking-has-caught-us-all-napping-m320scblv?shareToken=14cbabc19c71b03be871bb3ea32e0869

Excellent article. I bought the audiobook to listen to on a long car journey tomorrow. Gay women have failed to get the politicians and institutions to listen, let's see if gay men have any more success. Straight men and women are getting nowhere. The video is interesting when he blames left wing politics. Not sure I agree with that. The most powerful and well financed trans people were/are male to female middle aged American capitalists

doobigetta Google these words exactly:
Black women murdered in 2019.
Then come back to me.

That is bizarre. I knew Google had drunk the cool aid but not to that extent, although maybe no-one has done a count of how many black women have been murdered because it isn't an unusual event sadly

BBC Radio 4 18 Sept 2019
Across the Red Line, Series 4 called Does Identitiy politics cause more problems than it solves?
Just started to listen to this interesting discussion between Douglas Murray, and Nasrene Malik of Guardian.

This book is reviewed by Lionel Shriver in The Times too, here:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bcb36f2c-dadd-11e9-a836-b8a7068a08fb

Douglas Murray also was one of the guests on Radio 4's Across the Red Line (there's another thread about this somewhere) well worth a listen. It was repeated on the World Service last night at some point and woke me from my insomniac half-sleep! He nailed so much of the insidious creep of the trans ideology movement, from their piggybacking the "hardware issue" of intersex, the political power grab that underlies it, and the mutilation of language leading people to being forced into lying.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008j7m

There is an hour long podcast on this book with him talking to Julia Hartley-Brewer. Link is on Julia’s Twitter I think and also on YouTube.

Right wing gay men ARE gay men!

I can't stand Douglas - but when he turns his ire to something he does have a brilliantly withering turn of phrase.

His fear is that woke will provoke a backlash. In America he has noticed a renewed interest in IQ studies. These were once used as a racist weapon, primarily against black people. If the wokeists go on torturing people, then, inevitably, some people will strike back and they won’t be nice people.

From the Times interview.

I mean, if a right winger like Murray has the same fears of a far right backlash as me, a dyed-in-the-wool leftist feminist - why is nobody in authority listening?

I thought this was interesting:

"For me, again, there is a consumerist aspect here. Telling people they can be anything is the same as saying they can have anything. It’s an advertising pitch and it is plainly false. So poor baby Anoush has not been liberated, “they” has been trapped into buying something that cannot be sold".

It is true.

And a wider point is that lots of retailers (big pharma, gender 'experts', plastic surgeons, inclusion consultants) have commodities to sell. And this market is almost entirely unregulated so sexual fetishists and paedophiles find it ridiculously easy to infiltrate and sell their own wares under the blanket of "inclusion".

And the woke brigade are so dim-witted that they are utterly unaware that they are backing one of the biggest capitalism shows on earth - powerful men's sexual rights.

Douglas Murray's book 'The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity' is reviewed in the Guardian this weekend. Fair to say the reviewer doesn't like it...

As well as the interview linked upthread, Murray is interviewed by Rod Liddel in his 'Liddel's got issues' section. I don't think there's a way to link to that.

Camilla Long's column has two sections not unrelated - one on Trudeau and one on the 'gender neutral baby.

The PC left will need a tad more whitewash to convince us Trudeau’s not a racist

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-pc-left-will-need-a-tad-more-whitewash-to-convince-us-trudeau-s-not-a-racist-gfw92cgjn?shareToken=18ffce9b8f4b18b21b06e946b574155d

I like Douglas Murray very much and am looking forward to reading his latest book.

In the Strange Death Of Europe I thought his account of going to Lampedusa meeting migrants and sharing their stories was really moving. He's a compassionate man and it's unnerving to see people write him off as 'right winger'. He strikes me as a writer who cares very much about people.

I think many right and left wing people have the sam aims. In many cases all that differs is what they think is the best way to avhieve the aim

I think many right and left wing people have the sam aims. In many cases all that differs is what they think is the best way to avhieve the aim

Bingo.