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Meeting GC women in real life

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HuckfromScandal · 19/09/2019 22:50

Over the course of 3 days at training courses
I have met 3 AWESOME Gender Crit women.
I know that at least 2 post here.

So I would just like to say
I think you are are awesome
I think that you are strong
And I have loved the way the you have stood your ground in a positive, non confrontational and positive way.

And meeting GC women in real world is amazing,
Keep fighting, keep being amazing.

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Bezalelle · 19/09/2019 23:02

It's good isn't it!

In my last job, a lady from a different department approached me and said she'd overheard me talking to my colleague about being a radical feminist. She said she was too, and we bonded over our shared views. Most bracing!

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HuckfromScandal · 19/09/2019 23:12

It’s so pleasing to know that wll my GC “friends” don’t just exist on the internet, but are there in real life.

KEEP STRONG

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MrsFogi · 19/09/2019 23:43

It's great to meet other GC women isn't it? I'm meeting many now that I bring it up in RL at every possible moment.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 20/09/2019 06:57

It's genuinely so refreshing, to freely speak about the bollocks

OhHolyJesus · 20/09/2019 07:16

Yes! And to take the conversation offline and into normal places like pubs and cafés. No censoring there, to be honest I'd like to see someone try.

testing987654321 · 20/09/2019 07:22

My Labour Party friend had the expression of "uh oh" when I told him I'd emailed the Guardian to say that they weren't getting any of my money until they stop reporting men as women. Interesting that he didn't argue back though.

Most women I have spoken to are also GC already. That's without me knowing their political views on other stuff.

WomanBornNotWorn · 20/09/2019 07:35

I went to a meeting of a women's group entirely new to me, where there were initially three of us, all around menopause age, and all immediately bonding over our mutual 'wtf is happening?!!!' approach. Then two twenty something girls who work at the university came in and immediately turned it all around to wide-eyed 'TWAW!!!' assertions and an attempt to get us all to admire the Genderbread graphic as a brilliant message. We were polite but refused to be drawn in to their cheerleading. Two opposed factions in a group of five.

teawamutu · 20/09/2019 08:08

Turns out I know loads of GC people - my friends. Once I got up the nerve to start talking about it.

niceberg · 20/09/2019 11:12

I'd love to meet some GC women in real life. I've talked with my two closest friends. One is a gay man who totally gets it and thinks the world's gone mad. The other is female and I think got it, but I don't see her much due to living far apart and she doesn't do social media so won't be aware of what's going on independently. One of her son's close friends is a teen who is ftm, and has serious MH issues. I'm not sure how that influences her.

With other friends, although I've dropped comments into conversations about extreme situations (Karen White, for example), I've been annoyingly too cautious to start a full blown discussion.

My work is tricky in that there is a woke contingent and I'd have to tread very carefully.

Maybe I just need to find a local women's group and suss out who is there. I'd especially love to find someone with a child at my DD's secondary school (she's just started) which is a Stonewall certificate-holding school. It would be great to have an ally in any conversations I end up having with the school.

teawamutu · 20/09/2019 11:41

I think we need some code phrases - the GC version of 'the gulls fly south for winter' or something Grin

Gonzales27 · 20/09/2019 11:59

teawamutu I totally agree!

I was too scared to mention it at my last job but then in my last week of the job I just stumbled into a conversation with some colleagues at lunch and it turns out we were all GC but too scared to say.

I've just started my new job so have to keep my head down but a code phrase would be enormously helpful.

Got to go and do my online induction training now, including "trans awareness" Hmm

OhHolyJesus · 20/09/2019 12:13

Someone on Spinster suggested spider web pin badges to give a little nod and a wink to our position.

LloydBraun · 20/09/2019 12:17

Didn’t oscar wilde and his chums wear a carnation of a certain colour? God my memory is shit

Gonzales27 · 20/09/2019 13:09

I worry that a badge will too easily identify us to those who aren't in our corner.

It would be great if one of the awesome GC stalwarts on mumsnet had the time to direct message people on here who have proved their GC credentials and pass on the code phrase!

3mks · 20/09/2019 13:42

Could pick a women's charity who sell badges. That way easy to identify, have deniability and money goes to a good cause.

MrsFogi · 20/09/2019 14:38

I don't think we need a code anymore. Just talk about it - you can be pretty innocent "I was surprised to hear/read...." if you get a depending on the context/person you can either back off or see if you can discuss a bit more or, more likely, you'll find the other person is GC. I think that Twitter/FB/MN make it look like there are "woke"people lurking in every corner waiting to get GC women sacked. Undoubtedly such people exist however I strongly believe in RL the vast majority of people are GC (they just don't know it because they haven't thought about the issues underlying the articles they've read/seen). The only person who I have had an issue with so far is my teenage daughter - she's so woke/adolescent we've agreed not to talk about it for a while.
I've also started buying extra tickets to Womens' Place meetings and inviting friends (even those who thought they would hate it ended up being recruited to help #StickerWoman).

Goosefoot · 20/09/2019 15:29

I Find it such a relief on the odd occasion I get to talk about it IRL. My husband agrees with me but he isn't inclined to has over political things. My gay male drinking buddy agrees but is a lot less knowledgable and it just doesn't affect his life a lot, it's not so much on his radar, and also he's just so mild mannered. Another friend gets it I think, but at the same time seems to go the supportive rout which ticks me off. But it is a big issue in her immediate family so I thin she feels the need to be pretty neutral.

I really have two friends I can talk with about it very openly. I'd like to meet more people but it's tricky, you can try and feel them out but it's not always reliable.

testing987654321 · 20/09/2019 18:15

I don't get it. Why are you all so worried to say something you believe?

Most people aren't insane. They will fully understand that men shouldn't be competing in women's sports. They will be shocked men who have committed sexual assaults are being put in women's prisons. Or mention learning about Magdalen Berns, they will be surprised to find out lesbians are unwelcome in lgbt societies if they don't consider men as sexual partners.

And even if people do argue with you, so what? You are allowed to have different opinions to others. It doesn't mean you can't work with them.

I know people are fearful but I am honestly finding this thread shocking, bad things happen when good people don't speak up.

testing987654321 · 20/09/2019 18:18

On a more positive note - contact resisters, hopefully there will be a group near you, if not then start one.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/09/2019 18:19

I’ve only met two people who believe that nonsense. One is just so right on he’s up his own arse and the other is a momentum luvvie.

I inadvertently broke the momentum luvvie when there was a lot of coverage about England gymnastics saying they would let trans boys in with the girls (changing and competing). I mentioned it and asked how his little girl was getting on at her gymnastics class. Sure I saw a lightbulb go on!

Gonzales27 · 20/09/2019 20:13

Testing I think are lucky not to have encountered it then. I will genuinely get sacked if the wrong people at work hear me talk about some of this stuff!

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HuckfromScandal · 20/09/2019 20:40

@testing987654321. I could genuinely be dismissed from my employment for my views, which go fundamentally against the position held by the company I work for,

So talking about it is all very well - but I have a mortgage to pay,
So talking about it is a big deal. And many people within my organisation feel the same.
1.4 million people belong to my organisation and it’s policy. So - meeting 3 people in training - and being able to have corridor conversations - felt empowering, bold, and scary

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MrsJamin · 20/09/2019 20:58

I haven't met any GC people in real life. I wonder what kind of weird bubble I live in. My friends who have said anything about trans people have basically said we should just be nice, and aren't they all so brave and stunning, and people have a brain gender that can be in conflict with their body, and they can just take some hormones and be happy and isn't that just wonderful?! HmmConfused

I wish I could find someone who agrees with me but no one seems to, they just share woke shit on Facebook.

testing987654321 · 20/09/2019 21:43

I do feel for people who fear losing their jobs. I am hoping to change job soon and will be careful what I say. Just think about it though, an organisation of 1.4 million must have many many people who don't believe the nonsense.

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