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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sara Pascoe Sex Power Money

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LadyOfTheCanyon · 17/09/2019 14:36

Has anyone been listening to this series? I generally like SP and think she's a thoughtful, honest, open person. I really enjoyed her first book Animal. I haven't read the new book and not sure I will based on listening to this.

I don't know whether it's that she's super woke or is just bending so far over to accommodate and validate women in the sex industry as having choices (the happy hooker trope seems to be pushed quite heavily and (so far; I don't know how many other episodes there may be that touch on it) there is not much talk of trafficking, addiction, poverty, mental illness or the further reaching social effects of women in sex work.

I understand and applaud her making the point about speaking to women in the industry who are so often spoken about rather than engaged with, but it still comes across as quite sanitised, and in the current episode (talking to Joana Nastari) she laughs at the decision to drop Grid girls from Formula 1 because "(the idea is) ...well if some women are in Lycra then other women are going to get touched up on the bus, like as if those two things are cause and effect..."

I was really shocked by the slightly flippant attitude that there is no causal link between women being paraded as interchangeable sexy props at super Macho events like F1 and Men's belief that women ARE there as arm candy. A persistent theme seems to be that women strip/do Sugar Baby work/Escort so they can put themselves through college. Men, in the main don't turn to prostitution to put themselves through college as far as I know but this disparity isn't even touched on.

I find the whole area of Sex Work difficult to navigate because I can't help but feel the proportion of women who enter it willingly and who enjoy it is probably vanishingly small, yet these are the ones who are seized upon in any discussion in order to validate 'women's choices.'

I don't really know what I want from this thread, just that listening to SP has left me disheartened at the idea that this is current young women thinking.

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stillathing · 17/09/2019 14:52

She confuses me too. I have found her very warm and funny in the past. And really interesting with a wide knowledge of random things. I'm surprised at her lack of joined up thinking here. I recall her being aghast at her relative getting a boob job. She vowed to never wear a padded bra on TV, because she didn't want young girls to think all women had to have huge breasts. So she can see the link between the action of an individual and the treatment of a class of person there. But not in your example. I suspect she just needs more challenging friends.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 17/09/2019 15:06

Post modernism innit?

It’s a hell of a drug and affects a surprising amount of our attitudes

LadyOfTheCanyon · 17/09/2019 15:18

Postmodern subjectivism gets right on my tits, to be honest.

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Bagger288 · 17/09/2019 22:54

A friend of mine helped her with research on the book (and is credited for it in the book itself). My friend was a sex worker (forced into it through poverty, DV, homelessness and a broken benefits system) who suffered horrifically and now supports the Nordic model. She reached out to Sara after hearing her on the Guilty Feminist podcast which can lean quite heavily towards what the OP describes. Apparently Sara was really receptive and did change her mind a bit. I haven't read the book myself yet though so not sure how it's come across in print.

WhereAreWeNow · 17/09/2019 23:18

That's good to hear that your friend reached out to her bagger. I just hope SP was listening. I used to like her but I've gone right off her because of this. There was another thread on here about her views on trans debate IIRC.

Pinkdoor · 17/09/2019 23:25

I felt similarly after listening to the first episode with the two sex workers OP

porta · 23/09/2019 20:15

I've been cringing so hard listening to the first episode of this.

StroppyWoman · 23/09/2019 20:28

Aw damn, I usually like her so much. How disappointing

OneMoose · 23/09/2019 20:36

I've been listening to this series and feel similar. Disappointing.

LadyOfTheCanyon · 23/09/2019 21:02

Having said that, I did very much enjoy the episode with the woman writing about Jack the Ripper's victims -the author's take on the " they were all whores!" trope was very refreshing.

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 24/09/2019 06:41

I like her generally, but after listening to two episodes probably won't listen to more.
Seems like it's all about making excuses so men can have access to women's bodies.

porta · 25/09/2019 12:27

God episode 5 has a lot of "not all men" in it. I'm kind of hate-listening Grin

LadyOfTheCanyon · 25/09/2019 16:41

Yes that one was a particular low for me. I found this week's episode more interesting because they touched more on the tackling poverty and shit jobs aspect of the need for women to go into sex work.

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Toorahtoorahaye · 26/09/2019 16:17

She has strange ideas about gender and gender identity and is not gender critical if I remember correctly. Something like you just know you are a woman because of your brain, inner essence or something. That if she suddenly woke up in a male body- she would still know she was female (huge paraphrase).

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