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York Press article on rapist Joseph McKeown

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WomanBornNotWorn · 16/09/2019 08:21

At least they managed to use inverted commas which suggests a bit of eye rolling going on

But here's the corrected version:

Predatory York rapist Joseph McKeown jailed for rape.

A rapist with the mind of a rapist who had the potential to do more rape has been jailed for rape.

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17895173.39-brilliant-39-york-scientist-joseph-mckeown-jailed-rape/

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Whatisthisfuckery · 16/09/2019 14:16

I wonder what would have happened if the female victim had a ‘briliant’ mind? Probably something along the lines of ‘you couldn’t have been raped madam, you’re too clever to let that happen.’

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 15:17

How about “not raping”? That’s the most important work he could do to assist the public generally.

We have a winner! And a number of losers, who are apparently currently employed by York University.

Way to combat the idea that the hard sciences are full of unrepentant misogynists, lads.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 16/09/2019 15:25

There is obviously a table somewhere, maybe next to the Periodic one, where you can look up scientific achievement and see how many women are acceptable as collateral damage.

'Cured cancer? Hmmmm. That's four sexual assaults and a 'clumsy pass''

bigkidsdidit · 16/09/2019 15:36

Are you kidding? Having a few million £ in grants = abuse of many many female students over decades is allowed (we have seen lots of these reports). Let alone actually doing anything practical or lasting with the money like curing a disease

bigkidsdidit · 16/09/2019 15:37

Four sexual assaults and a clumsy pass probably = has a PhD in something vaguely medical ☹️

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 16/09/2019 17:05

Well i was aware that I was probably overvaluing the currency. Sad

But I decided that even in jest I don't want to devalue sexual misconduct.

BarbariansMum · 16/09/2019 17:16

WTAF? Joseph bloody Mengele had the potential to do great work benefitting human kind. Instead, he chose to be a Nazi and a monster. Lots of people have potential, in and of itself it means nothing, it's what you do with it that counts. Angry

ErrolTheDragon · 16/09/2019 17:33

The Metro has a more appropriate headline

metro.co.uk/2019/09/12/physicist-raped-woman-left-feeling-powerless-suicidal-10732452/

I don't think York (or for that matter, I'd hope any university) will have him back when he's out of jail. They're not short of brilliant minds there, I knew a bloody genius biophysicist in one of the research groups, lovely guy. There were some brilliant women too.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 16/09/2019 17:40

Of course she doesn't have any potential to do anything useful, this woman he raped. Just a woman. None of the woman he might rape in the future either. Angry

Dyrne · 16/09/2019 17:41

Agree with the above. Absolutely none of those oh-so-important “academics” give a shit about whether the victim had a brilliant mind, or whether she could have gone on to do some good if she wasn’t left suicidal by the rape. It also brings into question what parts of their own behaviour have these “academics” justified because they are also “doing some good”?

My friend genuinely works on researching cures for cancer - they’ve made real progress with treatments benefiting the lives of patients. He does not feel this gives him the green light to rape anybody. I thought this was just standard, but apparently he needs to be praised for this commendable behaviour.

MoleSmokes · 17/09/2019 00:35

McKeown’s barrister Julian Goode handed references from York academics with doctorates, saying: “They support the defendant returning to the university post release. It is however, not their decision.

“This defendant has a brilliant academic mind”.

This is the same "who the fuck cares about women and girls?" attitude that sees men campaigning for gender-fucking-neutral toilets for women and mixed-sex women's sports!! Angry

DeRigueurMortis · 17/09/2019 00:43

What prevents him from using his brilliant mind from a prison cell?

Nothing.

He's a convicted rapist and shouldn't be near any educational institution ever.

Those academics who "supported" him should ask themselves if they want their daughters/sisters taught/learning with this man.

Angry
ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2019 20:47

What prevents him from using his brilliant mind from a prison cell?

Nothing.

Actually, I doubt a new graduate will be able to do anything whatever of scientific value there. Well maybe that's a shame - but I very much doubt he's uniquely gifted, so that PhD place will doubtless be filled by a less reprehensible person. And if there is some loss to society incurred, there is only one person to blame. He alone is responsible for squandering his talents.

Rachelover60 · 17/09/2019 21:50

DeRigueurMortis
What prevents him from using his brilliant mind from a prison cell?
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I thought the same, I'm sure he would be allowed to do some work, indeed the prison authorities would probably encourage it, makes for a quieter life for all the staff if the inmates are occupied.

I hadn't heard of him before now but just read up a bit - can't believe he is only 23.

ArranUpsideDown · 18/09/2019 12:22

Way to combat the idea that the hard sciences are full of unrepentant misogynists, lads.

Dropping in the essay, Sexism in the Academy :

The problems of misogynist [Principal Investigators] and tepid reference letters may stem from the same root: the widespread assumption that only men can be brilliant. This view is prevalent in the hard sciences, but also in literature, musical composition, and philosophy. “As predicted,” noted Sarah-Jane Leslie and her coauthors in a recent article in Science, “the more a field valued giftedness, the fewer the female PhDs.”18 Philosophy is nearly off the charts in this regard. Yet not only do men not seem to believe in the possibility of female genius, they seem to doubt female competence. Such an attitude is not only demeaning, it also leads to the theft of women’s time.19 A supervisor’s command to “prove it again” (that is, run another experiment) often leads female scholars to be much more careful in their work, but also less productive as a result. This bias is especially pronounced against black female scientists.
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What is more vile is that other men sometimes benefit from their complicity with sexual predators.... It is important in this context to recall that sexual harassment is less about sexual desire than the assertion of male power.
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MALE UNDERGRADUATES DEMONSTRATE a sharp bias against both their female peers and female instructors. In a study of three US undergraduate biology courses, students voted for their most intelligent peer during the semester. Generally the women gave a very slight edge to other women in their voting, but men favored other men by a nineteenfold margin.61 Such a divergence in gendered evaluative patterns has been observed elsewhere. This meant that a woman would need to have “over three-quarters of a GPA point higher” than a man to be nominated.62 In the study, an “outspoken” man (someone who participated in class) was always voted by his peers as the best student, even though many course sections had an “outspoken” woman who had earned as high a grade. The study’s authors reckon that these results, as skewed as they are, represent a “conservative case” because biology is considered a “soft” science. Most striking, perhaps, is that men’s prejudice became stronger by the end of the course, suggesting that sexism is an attitude reinforced rather than extirpated during one’s university years.63 Another study quoted several undergrads who shared the sentiment that “I didn’t know I was a girl until I came to Harvard.”

nplusonemag.com/issue-34/essays/sexism-in-the-academy/

ArranUpsideDown · 18/09/2019 16:33

I wanted to add in this interesting Twitter thread about the guilt women feel when making complaints to universities:

I don’t want to harm another human being. I was conflicted: whilst I didn’t (and don’t) believe it safe for the person who hurt me to continue in positions of power without any evidence of remorse or rehabilitation, I still didn’t want to harm another human being.
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"But everything I thought would happen to him and felt guilty about, actually happened to me. I was looked at differently and gossiped about. I was unable to go to certain places. ^My education and career was damaged. Not him. Not once.”*

twitter.com/anthroqveer/status/1174335366536544256?s=20

Caucho · 18/09/2019 22:16

This isn’t an attempt to derail but think a lot of this is due to a general attitude of arrogance in some academia and how ‘brilliant’ students somehow don’t deserve the same treatment as the riff raft.

Case in point is this fine young lady who alongside possessing brains is also from an incredibly wealthy family www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/25/oxford-student-judge-suggested-bright-prison-spared-jail-stabbing/amp/

MoleSmokes · 19/09/2019 01:15

Good example Caucho though I think class has a LOT to do with it. This "aspiring heart surgeon" who stabbed her boyfriend while under the influence of alcohol and drugs might have been treated far less leniently had she been one of those degenerate council estate harridans reverting to type despite making it to Oxford University.

"Whilst awaiting sentence, Woodward then returned home to her mother’s villa in Milan, during which time she was seen shopping at fashion outlets whilst carrying a designer Chanel bag.

Resuming proceedings at Oxford Crown Court yesterday afternoon, Judge Pringle said that there had been “many, many mitigating features” in the case as he handed Woodward a 10-month jail sentence suspended for 18 months.

His comments followed pleas by Woodward’s legal counsel, James Sturman QC, that she be given a conditional discharge due to her "unique vulnerability, remorse and good character".

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