Lesbian Erasure Protest shut down my "Trans Lesbians"

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Very sad to see that the lesbians marching to protest Lesbian erasure in Leeds were shut down by "trans lesbians"

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=divamag.co.uk/2019/09/09/streets-of-leeds-lined-with-support-for-trans-lesbians/?fbclid=IwAR0KK5-1s-A0Vs6HbAu42miTFPv7kbnd8D7HmME-aBJX8zhHfaWqSMCCrAc" target="_blank">https://divamag.co.uk/2019/09/09/streets-of-leeds-lined-with-support-for-trans-lesbians/?fbclid=IwAR0KK5-1s-A0Vs6HbAu42miTFPv7kbnd8D7HmME-aBJX8zhHfaWqSMCCrAc

"It was heartwarming to see so many blokes agreeing with us that women aren't allowed to have sexual boundaries"

The signs propped against some random's window for just long enough to take a photo before the random who owns said window notices and tells them to get lost was a particularly convincing touch.

Not being a lesbian I don’t know much about the lesbian magazine world except from what I read on MN; which is that Diva is now a trans magazine.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn Well that seems to be exactly what's happening. I really am very open-minded and very much a 'live and let live' type. But the incremental and indeed forceful erosion of the L in LGBT is bizarre. Indeed I don't even understand why the T is there in the first place. It's a mindset, at best an orientation - not a sexuality. I'm sure there's some 'woke' folks who'd love to 'educate' me on the matter but I won't be drawn on this matter. Once we start to redefine the term 'woman' then it ceases to mean anything. Indeed redefining Lesbianism is madness. Heaven help us!

A 'trans lesbian' though mystical and wonderful sounding is essentially a heterosexual male.

Endlessly haranguing lesbians about how bigoted and evil they are for not wanting to touch your penis is not letting them just live, is the issue. If TRAs were willing to let women just live I might be willing to do the same for them, but we all know that's not what's happening.

I'm at a loss as to what I can actually feasibly do to help?? I bang on about it to friends, relatives and have peak transed many of them... not so much colleagues as I don't fancy being hauled to HR for being a 'bigot' but bar that what else can I do?

I'd urge anyone who hasn't yet heard of him to look up Jonathan Yaniv - you'll honestly lose your shit!

Yaniv hasn't just peak transed people, he's peak Canada'd them too.

The only good thing to have come out of this is the incremental, growing unity of women's voices starting to think 'hang on, that doesn't sound right...'

Today I was reading about a certain pop star who changed his pronouns from 'him' to 'they/them' as he's been battling with his gender all his life. I rolled my eyes so hard I wondered if they'd fall out!!!

What got to me was - being mixed race - I read an article where someone had said TWAW in the same way that black women are women, therefore it follows that TW can be lesbians... something something male penis!. I honestly wanted to burn down the internet after reading that!

Black women are women in the same way white women or Asian women or Hispanic women are women. Trans women are women in the same way seahorses are horses.

Trans women are women in the same way seahorses are horses.

Amen!

I meant 'female penis' in my post just above. But that aside I think we should all take it upon ourselves to educate as many people as feasibly possible. I won't back down on this. I'm sorry but it's wrong. You can't identify your way out of biological reality. And indeed you can't call a lesbian woman a bigot for not wanting to engage with your 'female' penis. It's mad. The whole world is on steroids. Can we all please make a concerted effort to trans-peak as many people as we feasibly can. Being a woman is hard enough as it is without some blokes in dresses and lipstick trying to redefine us!

And I don't ever want to read the prefix 'cis' again!! That needs to end. You're not being an ally - you're redefining womanhood and making things harder for girls and women!

Yeah being called a CIS woman by former men who just call themselves "woman" makes my blood boil. And none of my lesbian friends want to touch a penis or be penetrated by one. And that makes them bigots?

Thing is, force people to use "cis" enough and most people just use it to mean "real". It's meant to change the way people think, shift the framing as it were, but it isn't working, because other than the minority of very, um, dedicated individuals whose entire lives are focused on enforcing trans ideology most young people just use "cis" to mean "real" or "actual", since they know it's not considered polite to say those things. Which is still an overreach by TRAs, and those young people should be able to say what they mean, but it does demonstrate that Operation Linguistic Brainwash isn't working.

Yes I think you're right in reality, kittens but the problem is that the TRAs can claim that more people than do subscribe to their ideology.

They're making the classic male error of assuming that if nobody actually tells you that they think you're wrong, or that you're pissing them off, then they must agree with you.

If people insist on shifting the word ‘woman’ aside then I shall refer to myself as ‘authentic woman’...

They're making the classic male error of assuming that if nobody actually tells you that they think you're wrong, or that you're pissing them off, then they must agree with you.

YY.

Any fucker tries to call me cis and my answer will be, ‘yes I am a REAL woman, but I don’t like someone else taking it upon themselves to label me, so woman will do, thanks’.

I will say - and have said - ‘you can stick your Cis up your arse’. I’m quite rude though on occasion...

Remarkable that Mike Bettney, who photographed the march as an independent photographer accidentally only pictured lesbians and not the apparently much bigger group of tagalong male invaders...

@TheProdigalKittensReturn An interesting point you make. I hadn't considered it like that. I understand it to mean that your sex and gender align. So at the most basic level as a woman I wear dresses but I thought that sort of stereotypical non-sense is of a bygone era. I think people don't find it remarkable anymore that a woman could for example enjoy spending weekends playing football and not having spa treatments.

But I get lost with the linguistic olympics of this ideology because if I am 'cis' as in a 'real' woman then why can transwomen therefore be referred to as just 'woman'. My issue is really the blurring of lines which disorientates women and compels them to be redefined by... men.

I don't hear anyone deriding heterosexual men for refusing to have relationships/sex with transwomen... after all aren't they women? I don't understand why more people don't see how ridiculous the ideology becomes once you break down the logical fallacies. But then again it is a strong lobby so I know why. It's the #NoDebate aspect that really galls.

AWomanIsEnough - can you explain about the page and where it was ie online, in a paper, or ...

I have tried googling for Labour Women / Labour Women's Network but nothing comes up.

I just wanted to send them links showing that the Diva story is a totally nonsense.

www.facebook.com/968934433256920/posts/1491462774337414?sfns=mo

Is the OP not coming back?

Let's comment on the Labour women lead post in FB.