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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Domestic" Murder at Five Year high-

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speakout · 13/09/2019 09:17

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49459674e

I read this article and heard a news report on radio. Someone bing interviewed casually mentioned that it was "mostly" women who were the victims, and "mostly" men who were the perpetrators.

I an a little disappointed that this information is not highlighted at more important.
Can anyone find the figures to find out the sex split here? I can't find them available.
But I do feel this is a really important issue.
This is not "just" domestic murder, this is male violence towards women ( and other men) largelyand until we can hold the light up to this fact we will get no where.

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 13/09/2019 09:24

I found it inexcusable that nowhere in the article does the reporter talk about sex. It is a long article with room for statistical analysis, but at no point does the reporter mention sex at all and there is no statistical analysis on the basis of sex. Interestingly, by contrast, almost every quote in the article does talk about women as being the primary victims of this type of violence. It is vital to understanding it and tackling it.

Please do complain.

Grambler · 13/09/2019 09:28

Why not mention sex? Is it because the data collection cannot be trusted anymore? You can't definitively say male or female because what one person means by that is not the same as the definition used by another person. So the data is useless.

However, you can look at the photos the BBC used: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49459674 All female victims.

speakout · 13/09/2019 09:33

I am glad others feel the same here.

This "domestic" murder is a symptom of toxic masculinity , violence towards women largely by men.

The use of the word "domestic" is even toxic in itself.
I was a child in the 60s, women in my neighbourhood were beaten regualrly by their husbands, if police were called , unless the woman was half dead it would be shrugged of and the term " a domestic" was in common usage, by people and the police. Because then it was acceptable for men to beat their women.

The use of the word " domestic" makes my skin crawl.

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BuckingFrolics · 13/09/2019 09:51

I agree it's like use the word "domestic" and it somehow becomes something that happened in a place of equal power and outside social norms. It's a way of personalising the murderous behaviour to detract and distract from the social misogynistic context. "Oh Barry killed Sioban, because Barry is a shit" rather than "Barry killed Sioban because Barry has grown up in a misogynist culture"

Herocomplex · 13/09/2019 09:53

Yes, on the BBC report, three quarters of the victims were women. The majority of the suspects men.
I heard the word ‘people’ on the news, so went looking.

speakout · 13/09/2019 09:58

And this type of reportage is actually upholding misogyny.

Hiding the truth. And moving us further from a solution.

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 13/09/2019 10:01

It's in the link you posted:
"In England and Wales, between April 2014 and March 2017, around three-quarters of victims of domestic killings by a partner, ex-partner or family member were women, while suspects are predominantly male."

Although no actual numbers for perpetrator split.
It seems clearly highlighted to me.

littlbrowndog · 13/09/2019 10:16

Karen just said on bbc 2 that we have to sex separate who is being killed

Bbc using the word people on screen even when Karen said that

The bbc hate to use the word woman

speakout · 13/09/2019 10:18

"most" - " predominantly"..

I don't see that as clarity at all.

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Herocomplex · 13/09/2019 10:21

I couldn’t see if they were adult victims only though.

littlbrowndog · 13/09/2019 10:22

I hate they call it domestic violence.

It should be called murder and violence

Herocomplex · 13/09/2019 10:30

Been looking at office for national statistics, it’s over 16’s.

CandyLeBonBon · 13/09/2019 10:36

I too noticed how they avoided sexing the victims. The word 'people' really stood out for me.
And I think it highly ironic that BoJo is Kent to tackle domestic abuse. More platitudes from yet another misogynist

deydododatdodontdeydo · 13/09/2019 10:45

It should be called murder and violence

But that wouldn't differentiate it as violence against women, and we'd all be complaining it was hiding the real victims.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 13/09/2019 10:53

The article has been updated. It is worth complaining.

TorchesTorches · 13/09/2019 11:07

I noticed this too in discussion on the R4 Today programme. To me is the most obvious question. Who is doing it (men) and why (because they can exercise their shitty control over their - mostly female- partner). Instead the chat honed in on the how (more stabbings apparently)

Doyoumind · 13/09/2019 11:24

Sorry. Just seen this. I have just started a thread about this and pointing out the update. Definitely worth a complaint.

TruthOnTrial · 13/09/2019 11:27

Whilst both men and women are killed by domestic violence, the vast majority of victims are women.

In England and Wales, between April 2014 and March 2017, around three-quarters of victims of domestic killings by a partner, ex-partner or family member were women, while suspects are predominantly male

It does state clearly the vast majority are women

However, there must be stats for readers perusing news items and how much more intensely /frequently headings and opening paras are read, than the depth of the body of the article.

The openers in this were all people, and misnomas, suggesting its all about the knife crime

It read as very biased away from what, although once used as an apologist term, domestic, is now widely recognised as a gendered, mysogynistic, and very high profile dangerous behaviour.

The term of domestic abuse is now high profile and fixed in everyone's mind as gendered.

This article is trying to deny the sex element in its use of people which is overtly deviating from the key underpinning fact of da, that men perpetrate it, and women often have to support it, or are conditioned and normalised to its realities.

This is such a backward step.

Wheres this coming from....Hmm

TruthOnTrial · 13/09/2019 11:31

I have just noticed the skewing in the statement about family murder victims being 3/4 women, that would be a lower number because of the way its been expressed.

The key piece of information they have side-stepoed to a degree, and the salient number, is how many male perpetrators, that its men killing, predominantly women, but also men.

This article is smoke and mirrors.

#losingfaithinbbcreporting

plantlife · 13/09/2019 14:37

This is probably one reason why it's increased.

www.womensaid.org.uk/pregnant-women-child-survivors-left-sleeping-rough-current-system-fails/

childrenandhomeless · 14/09/2019 16:08

I took part in that survey, and was one of the homeless with children, living in a car, for a time.

Its shocking to remember it.

It should never happen and people wonder why women find it so hard to leave, the roof over theirs and their dc heads. To become a refugee.

Some make themselves homeless and leave the dc there, believing it will stop, because they are the ones at fault, because they're told it so much they believe it.

I was there too

Some try to hand their own dc over ss believing thats the only way for the dc to be safe. Tick.

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