BBC stats on domestic violence murders erase women?

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I can't believe that the BBC's investigation into domestic violence killings manages to not mention sex!

"173 people" last year. All the pics of women. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49459674

Their interviewees mention women, but they don't.

Of course, any killing is terrible, but how can the govt attempt to address the problem if we don't know whether it's disproportionately perpetrated by men against women.

Gargh.

That was the first thing I noticed too.

That article made me start my day angry

Yes I noticed it too. I wondered if they have been "advised" (by some woke person in a consultancy role) to not say women out of the paralysing fear it will offend someone - but then I would have just said "xxxxx women and x men" to get around that. It does happen to men including in gay relationships, so it's fair to include them, but I would want to make the stats very clear and talk about it as a feminist issue.

I thought when they interviewed a victim's sister on Breakfast this morning, Naga was fucking furious and that came across, while also trying to comfort the interviewee who was in a state.

The stat I heard on the radio this morning was that 3/4 of the victims of domestic killing were women ie that 1/4 were men. That really surprised me, I thought it was something like 98% female victims to 2% male. So much so that I'm beginning to think I misread.

Bbc have updated the original online article now to say Whilst both men and women are killed by domestic violence, the vast majority of victims are women. It def didn’t say that earlier.

In my continuing arguments locally to rename gender violence as male violence, I asked the women's officer whether there had been any killings of men by women in the last 10 years...apparently not. Let's look at who is doing the killing of men and women.
Incidentally , well done those women on question time who named male violence as a major problem

When women kill men domestically, it's almost always in an abusive relationship in which he is abusive to her, as with Sally Challen and Kiranjit Ahluwalia. That is not to say it's therefore OK, but it's not the same situation as the huge majority of domestic violence murders.

That really surprised me, I thought it was something like 98% female victims to 2% male.

I believe that statistic refers to the perpetrators of the violence, not the victims. So a quarter of the victims of domestic violence may be men, but that doesn't mean that a quarter of the perpetrators are women. A good many of the male victims are killed by male partners or ex-partners.

MyCatsHat "When women kill men domestically, it's almost always in an abusive relationship in which he is abusive to her, as with Sally Challen and Kiranjit Ahluwalia. That is not to say it's therefore OK, but it's not the same situation as the huge majority of domestic violence murders."

Thank you. This cannot be said often enough.

Yes they do erase women. I noticed it too. The BBC guilty of misogyny. Not surprised.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this. I’m glad it’s headline news as it’s terrible but when DS were asking about it over breakfast I said: they said people but it will mostly be women.
I read both bbc and guardian articles expecting to see a breakdown within the article (at least on bbc) but nope.

Thanks @IcedPurple that makes perfect sense. Can you imagine the political and media hysteria if 1/4 of domestic killings were done by women though? It would be seen as the breakdown of society. Whereas men killing people is normal. So fucked up.

I noticed this yesterday as well. I reread the article thinking surely they'll have something about the sex of the victims, but no. And of course the perpetrators are just 'people' with no particular characteristics in common.

If men were killed at the rate women are there'd be a national emergency declared! We'd all have attend mandatory non-violence training or whatever before for example applying for a bank account or a driving license.

I noticed they changed it. But that they tried to present it as a gender neutral issue in the first place is abhorrent.

I'm pretty sure men are killed at a higher rate than women (not domestically, just in general). As long as they're not white and middle class its not seen as important. Certainly young men and teen boys are seen as highly disposable.

Actually, thinking about it, maybe it's that they are killed more often rather than murdered more often (killing to include accidental death and suicide)

Yes, but I was specifically referring to domestic situations r.e. the stats and BBC article erasing the actual point which is 'male violence is inextricably linked to the death of women'.

The whattaboutery of this is when people bring up the stats surrounding male suicide or death by misadventure rates of men which are patently higher than that of women. Doesn't help the cause IMVHO.