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Gender neutral uniform at Lewes school means girls are not allowed to wear skirts

27 replies

Doyoumind · 06/09/2019 15:57

Just seen on Twitter that girls wearing skirts to this school have not been admitted. After switching to a gender neutral uniform only trousers are allowed.

WTF? Why not a choice?

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AudacityOfHope · 06/09/2019 15:58

Wonder what will happen when a boy who identifies as a girl wants to wear a skirt 🤨

FusionChefGeoff · 06/09/2019 15:59

Patriarchy. Male normal is the default unfortunately.

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 18:54

WTF were the police doing there?

twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1169990428759875585?s=20

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 07/09/2019 19:08

WTF were the police doing there?

Policing what children wear, abusing their power.
Typical modern policing.

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 19:10

I notice there is not a whisper from Extinction Rebellion despite the clothing waste involved.

AudacityOfHope · 07/09/2019 20:24

Huh? Your concern is the lack of apparent environmental protest and not girls being physically locked out of their own education @HelenaDove??

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 20:40

No my biggest concern is not that I posted it because i was on a thread about XR recently and i brought it up because i made a point on that thread that it was funny how they were more concerned about targeting working class women over fast fashion than places like schools who were costing working class parents (in a lot of cases women) more money by changing uniforms every 5 mins.

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 20:44

For context this is what i posted on the XR thread last weekend.

HelenaDove Sun 01-Sep-19 01:00:30

Oh dear Im really going to have to explain the cycle of poverty? WOW

Ok i will start simple .....................Quite a while ago there was a Dispatches programme about fast fashion. While watching it i clicked on the # hashtag. FULL of middle class people berating working class women (misogyny AND classism) for shopping at places like New Look and Primark.

Working class women who work in supermarkets and care homes and are on UC (which is NOT only an out of work benefit) and/or women on a low income being berated ridiculed and guilt tripped for not shopping at fucking People Tree or Karen Millen.

People in this situation cant afford to shop ethically. Are victimised for not doing so . I wonder what the reaction would be if a woman had to go to a food bank because she had shopped ethically that week and couldnt afford food.

Where would XR be if something like this got into the press. You wouldnt see their backsides for dust.

I STILL havent had an answer to the question about schools changing their school uniform every five minutes which leads to clothing waste.

Working class women having to shop for clothes cheaply keeps fast fashion going so the factories keep producing it then working class women having to buy it because they cant afford to shop ethically and round and round we go The cycle of poverty.

Im bloody sick of poorer individuals especially women being targeted over this

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 20:53

There is also a chance of them missing out on education if they are sent to isolation because a parent cant afford to follow this latest whim. So its the same result. a girl could miss out on her education if sent to isolation.

HappyPunky · 07/09/2019 20:59

When I was at school I wore trousers most days but skirts while on my period because I got so bloated I couldn't get trousers on.

Are school trousers designed with girls in mind when they're going through puberty and their hips are growing?

Rachelover40 · 07/09/2019 21:06

How pathetic. Honestly! I'm horrified. Why can they not wear a skirt? Or a kilt? Kilts are gender neutral. Not everyone wants to wear trousers every single day.

Do the female teachers always wear trousers?

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 21:15

i always preferred skirts when i was younger and did not feel confident or comfortable in trousers, i didnt s tart wearing trousers until 3 years ago at the age of 43

slipperywhensparticus · 07/09/2019 21:24

The school seem obsessed with skirts and skirt length apparently getting some girls to kneel on the floor to check the length

They originally said that children in their last year didn't need to change uniform then changed that on the last day?

Locking children out then calling the police is overkill

And yes there was a boy in a skirt showing solidarity apparently (over his trousers)

Schools have become a cartoon villain putting over 100 students in isolation locking students out for wearing a skirt whatever happened to educating the children

I spoke to a teacher once many years ago she said they had children on there books that very rarely attended she couldn't care less if they showed up in uniform or not she just wanted them to attend so she could do her job

TeamUnicorn · 07/09/2019 21:49

The uniform waste is dreadful. It is simply another reason for this policy being so wrong.

AudacityOfHope · 07/09/2019 21:53

Ah ok I just mistook your initial post @HelenaDove

I am very very curious about how those educators felt locking the school gates in the faces of girls who are desperate to learn at the same time as they retain their choices over how they present.

If it were me I'd have gone home and had a long hard look in the mirror. Possibly thrown up at where I had found myself.

HelenaDove · 07/09/2019 23:27

Audacity no worries Thanks

slipperywhensparticus · 08/09/2019 09:34

This country has a sick attitude to girls and women lately

JazzyGG · 08/09/2019 10:25

I just read a comment on the guardian site saying "if anyone is distracted by under 16 girls skirt being too short it is they that have a problem"

Exactly.

Queenofpi · 08/09/2019 10:30

"if anyone is distracted by under 16 girls skirt being too short it is they that have a problem"

As a teacher, I can tell you that walking up stairs behind a teenage girl wearing a short skirt feels very uncomfortable. And no, I'm not sexualising it, they are. They wear the short skirts because they think it looks nice, without thinking about who might be inadvertently seeing their pants. I know the male teachers at my school feel even more uncomfortable than I.

AleFailTrail · 08/09/2019 10:57

I remember being one of only three girls in my high school who regularly wore trousers. I quite liked boys ones-far more comfortable, a bit baggy, harder wearing.
Then the school introduced its own trousers for girls only-figure hugging. I was aghast as I hated that style but had to wear them. The boys had no such restrictions. When the equality angle was brought up the school said well there are far more girls styles, not all of them suitable, so we introduced these to standardise.
Three of us. Seriously.

Could be worse, my loathing of skirts today would have had the TRAs drooling over changing me

TruthOnTrial · 08/09/2019 13:09

Its not gender neutral

Its sexist and removing girls choice from them.

Its sex discrimination against girls to remove their previously available clothing purely to give rights to others.

TruthOnTrial · 08/09/2019 13:10

And trousers are not gender neutral, they're what men and boys wear.

Gender neutral would be allowing girls and boys to wear whatever they wanted, either skirts or trousers.

TruthOnTrial · 08/09/2019 13:12

Many girls/women avoid wearing trousers on their period, if they wear pads, as they are self-conscious of being noticed, especially as teens.
Its sexist clap trap

Fudgenugget · 08/09/2019 13:22

I heard about this a couple of days ago and it really boils my piss.

As pp have said, if the uniform is really "gender neutral" then both girls and boys have a choice in what they wear.

But this is about oppressing girls and their right to choose what they wear, and denying them an education until they comply. This is the "lite" version of imposing dress standards such as in Iran and Afghanistan.

We should not be denying edication to girls because of what they wear. I feel the school has dialled back equal rights by 100 years. It's sexist, is misogynistic and it's wrong.