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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Single Sex Services ARE Protected under the Equality Act

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stumbledin · 31/08/2019 23:17

This question keeps coming up and obviously may change in the future. But the question isn't is it allowed but why do so many women's groups not bother, not care or dont know?

Quote from the Equalities Office:

Providers of women-only services can continue to provide services in a different way, or even not provide services to trans individuals, provided it is objectively justified on a case-by-case basis.

The same can be said about toilets, changing rooms or single-sex activities. Providers may exclude trans people from facilities of the sex they identify with, providing it is a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transgender-people-no-right-single-sex-spaces-government-penny-mordaunt-toilets-changing-rooms-a8414771.html

See also guidance from FPFW www.fairplayforwomen.com/changing_rooms/

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 01/09/2019 06:02

why do so many women's groups not bother, not care or dont know?

Because Stonewall, Mermaids and the like lie to them about the law, changing the word sex, to gender in documents.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 01/09/2019 07:33

It is really disturbing how few organisations understand the law. They have been gaslit by Stonewall. Even more concerning are organisations which do understand the law, but which have nonetheless chosen to take away single sex spaces (and I include in this the introduction of unisex self contained loos in place of single sex cubicles), either because they think it is morally wrong to have them (I have a - male - friend who is looking forward to the day when everything is unisex) or because they are terrified of getting it wrong.

One major difficulty is the difference between the rules applied when a transwoman has a GRC and when they don’t, because you cannot ask to see a GRC and it may seem like overkill to ask for a birth certificate. You would hope to be able to rely on the transwomen themselves to know the social limits to their transition (and the differences in their position whether they do or so not have a GRC) but I am not sure that that was ever the case and it certainly isn’t now. However, previously numbers were small and it was a medical/psychological condition, whereas now the new ideological transgender community is forcefully trying to change social norms/language so that it is morally wrong not to allow males into female spaces. At an institutional level, this is working.

ShouldBeCookingDinner · 01/09/2019 07:54

These exemptions apply to those with a GRC...those without a GRC shouldn't even be considered as they are still legally their birth sex.

The case by case basis relates to a circumstance/situation, not by individual. It is not a hard test to reach "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim."

There is so much push to be "inclusive", a word used deliberately as noone wants to be seen as excluding others. If you dare suggest being exclusive, you then get told that they will commit suicide if they're not included, so you have to sound heartless again to point out their stats are nonsense. This is all highly manipulative and playing on people's emotions rather than common sense.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 01/09/2019 08:12

These exemptions apply to those with a GRC...those without a GRC shouldn't even be considered as they are still legally their birth sex.

Even some transpeople who claim to be our allies still insist on using our toilets, changing rooms etc. With or without GRCs.

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