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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mail Reports that NHS England to review GIDS

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Needmoresleep · 26/08/2019 07:42

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7394049/Health-chiefs-review-service-gives-transgender-children-hormones.html

The origional statement was made by the outgoing mental health Minister just before the Boris reshuffle, and not reported (except on here). Now it pops up in the Mail, though still with Jackie Doyle-Price's name attached.

I hope it means that her successor intends to go ahead, even if they are reluctant to have their name associated.

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LizzieSiddal · 26/08/2019 07:54

Great that this has now been published.

The suggestion of using Skype consultations, in this context, is utterly shocking.

feelingverylazytoday · 26/08/2019 08:09

This is good news. I like the NHS statement.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 26/08/2019 08:36

There are two reviews that need to take place here: the behaviour of GIDS noted above, but also a Review of the evidence base behind the treatments - which would be NICE

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 26/08/2019 08:38

This won't happen.

Ringdonna · 26/08/2019 08:52

Yes, apparently been shelved.

Needmoresleep · 26/08/2019 09:01

Really?

What is the Mail doing then? They themselves admit that this is old news, not previously reported. Are they reminding Boris of commitments that have previously been made by the Tories?

The Mail is very aware of where its readers stand on certain issues, including potentially harmful drug treatments for otherwise healthy children. Boris is more than aware that he needs the support of Mail readers should he call a snap election.

Given the earlier reporting of GIDs whistleblowers the Mail will know exactly what is going on. I hope the review is going ahead. But either way it is good news that at least one media outlet is aware of the announcement and does not seem to want to let it go.

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ChattyLion · 26/08/2019 09:45

At first this sounds promising (though an obvious understatement of risks) when the minister says:

‘I can understand why there will be some public concern about it, so I would like to reassure the House that I am working with NHS England to do a proper review of the research around this service and the ethics of it to establish a proper framework for consent, recognising that we are looking at treatments that may have long-term consequences.’

Then it sounds worryingly like it’s really all about shoving the issue of harm and ethics aside in favour of ‘well the kid consented’- even though we know kids can’t fully understand the full impact of choices like losing the capacity for normal adult sexual function and fertility - which only going through puberty will allow them to have.

‘Mrs Doyle-Price told Parliament, before losing her ministerial job in Boris Johnson’s new Cabinet: ‘It is important to recognise that, compared with services internationally, the service is very much at the conservative end of provision, which has led to it being criticised as far too conservative by some aspects of the lobby in favour of more services.

‘However, where we are dealing with children who have not reached the age of majority, and where some of the treatments they may go through may be irreversible, the whole issue of consent is clearly important.’

Hmm No, no, no- it can be never ethical to accept a child’s consent for a permanent change to their brain or body when we know a child can’t really understand what they are consenting to. why can’t the government just say this? Where are normal medical ethics and normal safeguarding for these kids? When did any of us agree that their rights could be chucked under the bus?

But still the fact that ethics and the rapidly growing patient numbers in this area are being even mentioned in Parliament at all is a great step after a years of MPs ignoring women’s concerns and it is a great starting place for talking to our own MPs about this. This has not happened without gender critical women getting this issue on the political agenda so it’s a real sign of progress. Flowers

Klaxon for MNers who know where to find this stuff- isn’t every bit of Parliamentary discussion minuted and made publicly available? Where would we find the full text of this speech and of what the replies were to it?

Also why isn’t it stated who has taken over these specific responsibilities from this previous Minister? From this it looks like it could be one of about four different people? (See this list for health and social care ministers) www.gov.uk/government/ministers#ministers-by-department

Needmoresleep · 26/08/2019 09:56

Chatty, most links should be in this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3649968-Another-MP-speaks-out-is-the-tide-turning

The lack of clarity suggests that there is a lack of agreement behind the scenes. Not surprising really. Doyle-Price sounds like a good sort - Mordaunt, less so. But a good first step that some GC concerns are being acknowledged. And good that the Mail has reported them.

Puulll

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OvaHere · 26/08/2019 10:08

I'm not sure what is going on from that article. A reminder though that Andrew Gilligan is now a special advisor to the PM and he has followed these issues v closely. I'm going to assume this means all the concerns he wrote about in The Times will have been relayed.

HandsOffMyRights · 26/08/2019 10:14

Good point Ova. I also saw Rachel Johnson in a news panel debate (can't recall which of the many issues relating to women and children's rights and self ID this was) and she was staunchly GC.

ChattyLion · 26/08/2019 10:27

Pulllllllll!
Thanks for the link

Longtalljosie · 26/08/2019 10:30

However, where we are dealing with children who have not reached the age of majority, and where some of the treatments they may go through may be irreversible, the whole issue of consent is clearly important.’

She’s saying it delicately - but what she’s saying is these children cannot consent.

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