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I have a retraction to make. Last year I tweeted this in response to #GetTheLOut in London.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:02

Fabulous thread by a lesbian:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1165369008801091589.html

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XXcstatic · 25/08/2019 09:09

Fantastic, brave thread - thanks for sharing.

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:11

"I have a retraction to make. Last year I tweeted this in response to #GetTheLOut in London. Today, I walked with them at Manchester Pride. I know you are angry at us for being 'TERFs', but I wasn't there with hate in my heart. Please listen to us, just for a minute. 1/

Today, the more you shouted at me that I was a cnt, the more you told me to fck off, the more I cried and trembled - the higher I raised this banner.

I will not stop protesting against a movement that teaches children they are (or can be) born in the wrong body. 2/

I know this movement teaches this because I was a victim of it. I've always been scruffy, gender non conforming, truck loving, short haired, soft butch. And, as a teenager, like almost all girls, I hated my breasts - this new part of my body that suddenly drew male gaze 3/

New hips, new shapes, that now made me an object. I was no longer able to run around in mud and have fun, instead, I had to think about crossing my legs, covering my chest, not provoking the men three times my age. Not 'distracting' the male teachers with my shoulders. 4/

At the age of 12, maybe 13, I told my best friend I fancied her. It spread around the school quickly. I was kicked out of the changing rooms for PE and had to change alone in the toilets. The other girls started to like boys - they'd text them, hold their hands in the corridor 5/

And I desperately wanted a girl to look at me the way they looked at those boys. I cropped my hair short, wore cologne, took science subjects for GCSEs. Every role model I had was a man - Albert Einstein, epidemiologist John snow. I had posters of them. 6/

And then someone said something that changed my life. "Could you be a boy born in the wrong body?"

Yes. Yes! This was it - it's exactly that. I have a boy brain! That's why j love science, and guns, and mud, and trucks, and mechanics, and cars, and girls. I am a boy. 7/

That is why I hate my body! I was meant to be a boy. I had the answer. Everything fell into place, and I knew shaving my head, tightly binding my chest, and changing my pronouns was how I could find peace at last. I just needed to pass as the man I knew I was 8/

My doctor confirmed my gender dysphoria, and I knew with certainty that I would have a mastectomy when I turned 17, and then phalloplasty. It's all I thought about, all day every day, and I ordered illegal testosterone gel to help get ready for my transition. 9/

My 17th birthday came and went, 18 came and went, never having the funds or the time between my studying to have the treatment I wanted to 'fix' my body to 'match' brain. 10/

And then I started university. Science distracted me. I stopped correcting people when they said she, I stopped wearing a binder so I could breathe properly in class. 11/

My gender dysphoria never went away. It's still here. But I accepted I could never really have changed sex - I would have something that resembled a penis, it would hurt, I would have to pump it up from a balloon in my leg. The masectomy would cause nerve damage. More pain. 12/

But most importantly, for me - transitioning because I was taught by men to hate my female body, transitioning because I didn't 'feel' like a woman, was propping up the gender binary. 13/

It's time to tear down gender.

It's time to change society to fit the gender non conforming.

It's time to stop teaching children that they can be born wrong.

We're here.
We're not 'queer'.
And we're not going away.

#detransitioner "

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NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:14

This was her tweet last year.

So proud of both Thomasin and Charley, both fairly recent de transitioners.

I have a retraction to make. Last year I tweeted this in response to #GetTheLOut in London.
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Popchyk · 25/08/2019 09:14

Gosh, that is so uplifting and courageous.

Well done, Charlie.

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:16

Thomasin speaking to Ben GNC

Thomasin and Charley at pride:

I have a retraction to make. Last year I tweeted this in response to #GetTheLOut in London.
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birdsdestiny · 25/08/2019 09:17

That's bravery.
Actually it makes me ashamed as most I the talking I do on this subject is on an anonymous forum.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/08/2019 09:18

Poor kid - what they went through. Society still really looks down on lesbians don’t they? Why are gay men more ‘acceptable’?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/08/2019 09:20

Wonderful thread. Well done to Charlie. Those brave, brave women at Manchester Pride yesterday, including Charlie, will be hoping that this time next year a few more Charlies will be with them thanks to what they've all done, and to what the pioneers did last year at London Pride.

Qcng · 25/08/2019 09:25

Goodness me.
Charlie Evans is such an incredibly beautiful gnc woman and lesbian.

I am overjoyed for Charlie, that she never want on T, had her voice drop, grow facial hair etc and basically pursue a life of irreversible problems.

She is really beautiful!
Sorry. I'm bi. I would.

I would not if she'd gone trans because I don't support the ideology.

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:26

Yes it's enormous bravery!

I feel brave simply not name changing here as much as I used to when talking about this.

Hugely humbling.

I'm boiling with rage that @mnhq see fit to ban posters who talk openly about this on an anonymous forum, when THIS is the reality of playing along with the game of the trans ideology.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 09:40

Sorry didn't see this thread in this including some stuff from S Hines

Insightful twitter thread from detransitioner www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3674484-Insightful-twitter-thread-from-detransitioner

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LizzieSiddal · 25/08/2019 10:05

Gosh what she went through as a teenager, absolutely dreadful. Her testimony is compelling and I hope many people read it.

Charlie you are truly awesome.

DuMondeB · 25/08/2019 10:07

Charlie is inspirational.

SarahTancredi · 25/08/2019 10:14

Proof once again just how little anyone cares about lesbians.

What she went through was horrific no wonder the answer was to try and identify out of it. Thank God she didnt take permanent steps .

She is very brave to tell her story like this.i hope that more and more people can read her story and start to make the link.between childhood trauma and bullying and sexual harassment and girls identifying as boys.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 25/08/2019 11:56

Why won't they LISTEN to this? WHY. Drives me insane.

A brave woman. Thank you for speaking up Charlie.

2BthatUnnoticed · 25/08/2019 12:01

She is getting victim blamed on Twitter. By male people - who never had to navigate this world as a female child, then a female teen, in the male gaze.

I salute you, Charlie. I’m in awe of your courage and insight.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 25/08/2019 13:29

That's bravery.

Yep.

birdsdestiny · 25/08/2019 14:20

She is being well supported on Twitter. A few negative comments by mostly supportive. It's good to see.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/08/2019 14:36

Girls today - who may be gay, bi or straight are being spoon fed this now. The case in Canada is heartbreaking - the family forced to stand by as their 14 year old daughter takes T and threats if they should slip and call the child her/she or by their birth name. There is no coming back from what this kids body is being put through and the state is forcing it.

Lumene · 25/08/2019 14:44

But most importantly, for me - transitioning because I was taught by men to hate my female body, transitioning because I didn't 'feel' like a woman, was propping up the gender binary.

This is the crux of it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 14:52

Absolutely.

From the minute a girl is born she's taught how to perform femininity.

If she doesn't do it properly, too much or not at all she's vilified and shamed.

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sueanddumplings · 25/08/2019 15:07

Another slightly bitter and also arrogant 'it wasn't right for me so it can't be right for anyone' rant.

differentnameforthis · 25/08/2019 15:25

@sueanddumplings - Another slightly bitter and also arrogant 'it wasn't right for me so it can't be right for anyone' rant.

Lying to children and telling them they can be the opposite sex is not right for anyone, @sueanddumplings, ever.

GirlDownUnder · 25/08/2019 15:28

Today, the more you shouted at me that I was a cnt, the more you told me to fck off, the more I cried and trembled - the higher I raised this banner.

Charlie Evans - she is amazing ❤️

She reminded me of one of my fav artists Labi Siffre - So Strong

The higher you build your barriers
The taller I become
The further you take my rights away
The faster I will run
You can deny me, you can decide
To turn your face away
No matter 'cause there's

Something inside so strong
I know that I can make it
Though you're doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone, oh no
There's something inside so strong
Oh, something inside so strong

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/08/2019 15:30

Charley wasn't offered any choices sue.

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