Record gender identity demand across NHS

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Daily Telegraph today reports survey in Health Services Journal showing “unprecedented rise in referrals” with time to see aspeciaslidt doubling within a year at Britain’s main centre. 5,700 waiting at Tavistock and Portman Trust. Data was provided by 4 of the 6 NHS providers of gender services.

Can’t link on phone but budget has increased from £34 million last year to £38 million this year.

Yikes. I would be fascinated to see a breakdown by age and sex. How many of that 5000 plus are in fact confused teenage girls with Asperger's/possibly lesbian/history of sexual abuse/combination thereof?

Given the trans lobby groups deliberate targeting of children in schools and young people in universities, we really shouldn't be surprised at these statistics.
The failure of adults to protect children and young people from this grooming is reprehensible.

Hmmmm...

During the presentation by a New York librarian, kindergarten teacher, and author of children’s illustrated trans books, I raise my hand at the back of the room: “Aren’t you concerned that you are not so much responding to 5-year-olds’ felt needs as creating them by planting suggestions? Now that ‘trans’ is becoming cool, don’t you worry about a bandwagon effect?” The room is collectively appalled. His smile fades and he says, “No. Next question,” and moves on.

Two questioners later, evidently still piqued, he comes out with the most revealing statement of the three-day circus: “As for the concern that a child might decide to become a trans in imitation of another child, … SO WHAT?”

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Clare, so true. As a mum of a boy with ASD I am so pleased to come across an HCP with such a good understanding of this. So often I feel people just don’t understand thus vulnerability

Apparently the rise is only due to increased awareness, according to the NHS:

Demand for gender identity services continues to rise as more people feel able to come forward for support and treatment

On what basis are they so sure that is the reason?

And if they are right, what happened to all those people who didn't go forward for treatment and support in the past? Oh, I expect they found other ways to deal with their feelings and have gone on to live their lives without surgical intervention and a lifetime of hormones.

On what basis are they so sure that is the reason?

Stonewall told them.

unprecedented rise in referrals” with time to see aspeciaslidt doubling within a year at Britain’s main centre. 5,700 waiting at Tavistock and Portman Trust.

For the sake of maths, let's round that up to 6000. Let's assume each person had st least one parent with them. That's 12,000 people all recounting their anecdotes, experience, and narrative of what it's like for the child to possibly be 'trans'.

What I would like to know is of the tens of thousands of comments that were made, what could possibly be said that a clinician would agree with and accept that it meant the child was trans?

What are these children and their parents actually saying that means they're not really the sex they are?

What are these clinicians accepting as 'authentic' reasons?

They're accepting everything because they're not allowed to question it.

The definition of trans includes the stipulation that all trans identities are valid. No matter what your motivations, delusions, manipulations, vulnerabilities, you must be moved towards medical intervention.

This is a relevant parallel and it won't stop until doctors start shouting "No!" as they eventually did then. The problem is it took doctors 40 years to stop it!

4thwavenow.com/2017/02/10/lobotomy-the-rise-and-fall-of-a-miracle-cure/

Not all Tavi clinicians are the same. Quite the opposite in fact. Some are GC. The outcomes for children seem very likely to be heavily influenced by the clinician who takes their case, and it would be ideal if they published theur outcomes like NHS surgeons have to, except there would surely be lawsuits against those who have lower referrals to the endocrinologists, followed by future lawsuits against those who were more likely to refer.

Isn't there an organisation which advises which Tavi clinicians are more likely to recommend medical transition?

It's all about two beliefs. 1. whether you think trans people are the sex they want to transition to and 2. whether you think medical transition is a good outcome, or a bad outcome and evidence of huge societal failure even though there are a few individuals for whom medical transition is the only way they can live bearable lives.

“As for the concern that a child might decide to become a trans in imitation of another child, … SO WHAT?”

I've had a similar conversation with a trans activist. She told me it was transphobic to even worry about such things, because I made it sound like ending up trans is a bad outcome.

We need an independent Parliamentary inquiry on this. MPs need to urgently and impartially look into it.

Whoever heard of any genuine medical condition -requiring millions of NHS ££££ in treatments which can have life long effects on the patients- growing at this exponential rate, without serious attempts to understand why so many patients are coming forward? In what other condition would medical authorities not implement a coordinated strategy of education and prevention to prevent more people becoming life long patients in this way, when we know a sizeable proportion of these patients will detransition? When we know the long term side effects of the treatments are shocking- loss of bone density, raised cancer risks, lowering of IQ?
Where is the oversight, the safe guarding, the ethics protecting the patient?
Where is the normal cost vs effectiveness calculations that bodies like NICE should be doing on these treatments, when so much public money is being spent on such a rapidly growing group of patients?. What other seriously invasive health services with permanent effects can a patient of any age apparently just turn up and demand from a doctor.... without doctors having any effective criteria for making a diagnosis or ruling it out?

As a doctor I completely agree ChattyLion.
Maybe I will write to NICE - the risk-benefit analysis alone for teenagers should rarely swing to benefit, and that’s before adding the cost.

Great post

Apologies if this has already been posted - www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7391599/NHS-plans-sex-change-advice-Skype-calls-children-young-THREE-controversial-clinic.html

ChattyLion completely agree and some of us are asking these questions. We have tried to do it quietly to date and just asking questions but I think we are going to have to go more public and know we will get hammered for it. Just taking a deep breath........

I've been wondering about the cost factor. I'm not the sort to whinge on about medical costs and public purse but the £ for a lifetime of trans treatment must be astronomical, especially if it includes several surgeries, hormones, specialists, monitoring etc. If ethics aren't enough to have them review practice normally you'd find them poring over the cost elements.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3675263-Mail-Reports-that-NHS-England-to-review-GIDS
(^ Thread about this highly relevant article:)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7394049/Health-chiefs-review-service-gives-transgender-children-hormones.html

The outgoing health minister under Theresa May- unreported apparently- said there will be some looking at these services- but around consent rather than looking at the basic ethics of providing them at all to children who by definition can’t understand what they are consenting to.

ScottishBride I am shocked that the BMA Medical Ethics Committee has apparently nothing to say about all this. Could some doctors bring a motion to a BMA conference to ask questions about this?

Mamello that is great and hope you keep at it. I am keeping on communicating with my Labour MP Any other tips let us know please.

Great post Chatty
I really think most Drs whose practice doesn't bring them in contact with anything trans related are oblivious, they tend to be busy, hardworking people who devote study time and keeping up with latest research etc to their own specialist interests.

I may have outed myself at work recently, a few of us standing around waiting for the next case, the consultant announced he had just learnt a new word "T**f" which stands for...so what is that all about he asked. I burst in about keeping men out of sport (as I know he and his children are sporty) reeling off a list of names and generally displaying an obvious interest and bias. Someone helpfully proffered that Sharon Davies and Martina has spoken out about it. He looked a bit bemused and hasn't dared mention it since.
Hopefully he is doing a bit more research now, especially with the cricket and rugby in the news.

But I too have been surprised that the cost elements haven't attracted more attention Betty. I honestly believe it will be the straw that breaks the NHS back, it's very worrying.
What if many of these young people who have been on puberty blockers develop osteoporosis and start breaking bones at a much earlier age than the elderly currently filling the orthopaedic wards with their fractured hips and vertebral collapse?
I can't believe there won't be many with long term problems relating to the urinary system after some of these surgeries.
Then there will be the court cases....

Whoops. Sorry about the bold fail. Something happened with the t** word.

I read that Big Pharma in the US have been pushing the trans lobby. It's a golden ticket for medical providers for the entire life of a patient, endless counselling, drugs, operations. Even if someone wants to "reverse" the process that still involves counselling, different drug regimes and surgery. Kerching!

Utterly devoid of humanity