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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are just women erased?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/08/2019 18:35

I saw this on Twitter and I was wondering why this website had chosen to do that - why does the definition of male still exist, but female doesn't?

I was also prompted to post this by the huge amount of advertising about prostate cancer around my area at the moment - it very much relies on use of the word "men" in massive writing, prostate havers are not mentioned anywhere?

How come female has to be super careful to not be exclusionary but male doesn't?

If this is really all about trans rights, surely uterus and prostate haver would be used equally? Surely the definition of man would be rewritten in the same way the definition of women is.

I find myself wondering if posters saying "man = adult human male" would be banned in the same way the female version was.

I find my self wondering if a trans man exclusionary gay march would be reviled in the same way the lesbian march is?

This is really, really pissing me off, it's like it's nothing to do with trans rights anymore, it comes across as (and probably is) far more of a men's rights campaign.

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Why are just women erased?
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Eggotchi · 23/08/2019 18:43

Omg! That is awful!! If they are changing definitions it should be applicable for both sexes. Diluting/destroying 'woman' is not acceptable.

Pota2 · 23/08/2019 19:03

It’s because, despite what they say, transwomen wield considerably more power than transmen. Biological women are told they are hateful and to move over to make way for transwomen. Transmen (who are biological women and have been socialised as such) wouldn’t dare make similar demands of biological men. If they did, they would no doubt be laughed at and ignored.

Michelleoftheresistance · 23/08/2019 19:27

Because this is a male supremacist/male sexual rights movement.

JoyceJeffries · 23/08/2019 19:30

Just your good old fashioned misogyny.

NottonightJosepheen · 23/08/2019 19:34

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/08/2019 19:43

So when it's so obvious why can organisations etc not see this? Why the rush to be so inclusive? Are people incapable of critical thinking now?

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Agrona · 23/08/2019 19:49

Didn’t you know? Critical thinking is transphobic! So is biology.

Woman do not exist, unless they are trans women.

Men try to control language and thought as they have done for millennium.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 23/08/2019 19:49

This is very pertinent here:

Why are just women erased?
NottonightJosepheen · 23/08/2019 19:54

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/08/2019 19:59

So are females really so universally derided that no-one has an issue to chucking them under the bus to satisfy the demands of very few AGPs and some MRAs (I know the answer to this, but I'd rather not).

Why is no-one standing up and saying "hang on. Don't be ridiculous. Of course a man cannot literally become a woman, and of course men should not be allowed in women's spaces"

Why on earth is this^ not the majority view?

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 23/08/2019 20:02

Good point OP. We don’t see MXN either. It’s male entitlement - if I say I’m a woman then I am one and am entitled to everything the girlies have. I don’t think it’s a co-incidence that just when women have started to get some equality, men think they are entitled to a piece of it. Would we have self identified women playing in women’s sports if there wasn’t any prize money worth having? And of course a straight man saying he wouldn’t consider a transwoman as a partner is respected - he’s not Into penises after all - but lesbians are not. It’s male entitlement writ large.

Micaela64 · 24/08/2019 06:29

I don't think it's wise to argue the same should happen to men in the name of equality or there'll be even more to unravel. Let's stick to saving women's identity and safety.

Gingerkittykat · 24/08/2019 06:42

It's the same as NHS Scotland sex advice leaflets. The advice to lesbians includes if one partner has a penis but there were no mentions of vaginas in the gay men one.

OhHimAgain · 24/08/2019 07:19

You're right, OP, it's things like that which expose this movement for what it really is.

TheBigBallOfOil · 24/08/2019 07:24

It’s because the trans ideology springs from and is being superimposed on a culture which defines the human norm as male. People are basically men. Women are the added on bit. If that’s the subconscious mindset you have, you can fiddle about with the definition of woman, but you’ll instinctively recoil against doing the same for males. They’re absolute. They’re fixed. Then there’s a subset of people who aren’t them who count for much less.
That’s why the radical feminist analysis angers them. It insists on situating women alongside men, not beneath or tacked on to them. This offends people.

Skippingabeat · 24/08/2019 07:40

What does "female can be defined by gender identification" even mean?

How can you identify as something and define it at the same time?

LizzieSiddal · 24/08/2019 07:53

No wonder women feel so angry!
The misogyny is right there starring us in the face.

it’s almost as if men are more important that women.Hmm

quixote9 · 24/08/2019 10:22

I had the same questions. The asymmetry made no sense.

The more I paid attention, the more obvious the pattern became: Being "pro-trans" and anti-woman lets you do patriarchy and misogyny and rack up woke cookies. It's all, 100%, about supporting stereotypes.

I think that's why it spread so fast. For a few minutes there, it looked like the stereotypes were finally going to get smashed. The mtf TRAs pointed the way to bringing that to a screeching halt.

You could wrap yourself in the cozy 1950s but far from admitting to being some hopeless stuck-in-the-mud you could preen on how much better you were than all those backwards boring types.

Goosefoot · 25/08/2019 03:47

What I find especially interesting about it is that there are now so many more young transmen, you'd think there would be a big move to include them in similar, even if not always identical, ways.

I'm not sure about the idea that they are a lot less aggressive in their advocacy being the whole story. To some extent I expect that's true, but I've met some that are awfully aggressive in their own way, not so much physically but in terms of accusing people of not recognising them and that sort of thing. I think some of it may be that they aren't interested to the same extent in the things that would cause a fuss. There was that transman who wanted to go to the gay sauna a while back, and it caused a stir among the patrons who weren't so keen, but that seems quite unusual. Most transmen, like women, don't seem so interested in that sort of sexual scene.

Sashkin · 25/08/2019 05:13

If they did, they would no doubt be laughed at and ignored

Do you think so? I think they would be beaten up, raped or killed.

deepwatersolo · 25/08/2019 15:39

Looks like the editing process for definitions there is in the hands of some narcisstic Autogynephile, eh?

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