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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

National inquiry into the safety and ethics of transgender medicine in Australia announced

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Yeahnahyeah · 21/08/2019 07:43

"It’s about time. A national inquiry into the safety and ethics of transgender medicine in Australia will be conducted by the Royal Australasian College of Physicians with the backing of Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt."

Link to follow cos I can't find the square brackets on my damn phone.

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Yeahnahyeah · 21/08/2019 07:45

"The opposing sides of the debate over transgender Australian youth could not have more different attitudes.

On the one hand, Michelle Telfer, director of the Royal Children’s Hospital Gender Service in Melbourne, told The Australian that commencing medical intervention for children as young as 13 or 14 years old was “not at all controversial within those with expertise because we all know that we have been doing this for years”.

"On the other hand, critics of medical intervention for children and teenagers – which includes puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones -- question whether the gender dysphoria epidemic is real."

So it depends who runs the enquiry.

This is good news I feel.

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Etino · 21/08/2019 07:53

Very good news. And interesting that it’s come from ‘koolaid Australia’.
Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost. When everyone knows someone who has transitioned and suffered or been followed into the loo by a man who feels able to pretend to be a woman for kicks, there’s bound to be more interest in finding out what’s really going on.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 21/08/2019 07:55

Results will be ignored.

NotBadConsidering · 21/08/2019 08:15

Not necessarily. Royal Australasian College of Physicians denies they have agreed to look into it:

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/21/racp-rejects-news-corp-claim-it-will-run-inquiry-into-treatment-of-trans-children

Apparently it’s “moral panic” to want to make sure kids are being treated properly Hmm:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/its-the-moral-panic-de-rigueur-but-they-cant-make-me-feel-bad-about-being-trans

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/08/2019 08:26

The false equivalence all the time.

Checking on ethics and safety of treatment is 'making someone feel bad about being trans'.

Recognising that there's half the population born with xx chromosomes and specific biology that's a bit of a bugger to live with and results in particular needs to be met is 'denying trans people the right to exist'.

It's like trying to reason with a toddler or a flouncing teenager.

emerencemaybehopeful · 21/08/2019 08:42

The fault lines in this country are too great.

There is no chance in hell that the 'progressive' half of the country (which includes most Medicos for good reasons) will believe anything that comes from the current government.

Kids in detention. (Immigration detention especially)
Excessive funding of private schools vs underfunding public ones
Stripping back Medicare
Parents Next
Forcing single parents onto Newstart when the youngest child is 8
Serious flaws in how children with disabilities receive funding under ndis
Climate change.
Funding chaplains in schools but not mental health services
Cashless welfare cards specifically in indigenous majority areas
Cosying up to religious leadership in a majority atheist/non practicing country

AnyOldPrion · 21/08/2019 08:58

”because we all know that we have been doing this for years”

How many years exactly?

It took more than a decade for lobotomy to be recognised as flawed.

And more recently, the truth about the harmful effects of sugar were suppressed for more than twenty years.

Just because you are doing something and don’t directly see the harm, it doesn’t mean harm is not being done.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 21/08/2019 09:15

Michelle Telfer, director of the Royal Children’s Hospital Gender Service in Melbourne, told The Australian that commencing medical intervention for children as young as 13 or 14 years old was “not at all controversial within those with expertise because we all know that we have been doing this for years”

What an extraordinary thing to say.

Popchyk · 21/08/2019 09:46

Meanwhile in the UK, Penny Mordaunt's announcement in September 2018 into the rocketing numbers of young girls identifying as transgender has produced precisely zero action.

It has taken them a year to do absolutely nothing.

The Government Equalities Office intends to put the research study out for tender in a few weeks apparently.

So we might reasonably expect to see results in perhaps five years. Unless they decide not to bother with the project in the meantime, or, in the case of the Tavistock and Portman, abandon the study and hope nobody notices.

My faith in our institutions is at rock bottom. They seem to be run entirely by lobby groups with the institutions themselves only existing to give these groups taxpayers' money and protect the lobby groups.

NotBadConsidering · 21/08/2019 10:16

I think it’s important to clarify:

Even if there is a genuine rise in gender dysphoria, and even if young people with gender identity issues attempt suicide at a rate of 48% it still does not mean that there is ample evidence to show that the solution to these problems is puberty blockers.

Reading the comments from the Guardian article suggests people in Australia would agree with that. I just can’t fathom how people can’t see that.

I really, really want to ask Michelle Telfer the Orgasm Question.

DanaPhoenix · 21/08/2019 13:07

Sadly I think emerencemaybehopeful is right. Sports will get get a reaction, but kids? Meh.
Any investigation will be blamed on Scomo and his religious beliefs (some merit perhaps) meanwhile the bigger picture will continue to be ignored because people are either too frightened or too ignorant. My MIL who has been very racist and homophobic (in private) is quite the woke SJW on twitter. Huge cricket fan though, let's just say Xmas this year could get very interesting 😬

Goosefoot · 21/08/2019 13:10

My faith in our institutions is at rock bottom. They seem to be run entirely by lobby groups with the institutions themselves only existing to give these groups taxpayers' money and protect the lobby groups.

I think this counts as a lesson. People have pushed for this, both on the left and right, and with good intentions too, seeing it as giving power to those who really know about issues and to grassroots organisations.

nauticant · 21/08/2019 17:16

My faith in our institutions is at rock bottom. They seem to be run entirely by lobby groups with the institutions themselves only existing to give these groups taxpayers' money and protect the lobby groups.

As the world becomes more complex, at an accelerating pace, not only do governments not have the energy to tackle stuff, but doing so properly becomes more expensive as time passes. Hence, the renouncing of responsibility and the handing over to lobby groups. The scope for capture by fringe groups grows.

NotYourCisterinAus · 22/08/2019 02:06

This is why I'm feeling politically homeless right now - on the one hand we've got the grind-the-faces-of-the-poor Liberals and Nationals, on the other we have the away-with-the-woke-pixies Labor and Greens. Sad

Though I suspect that Labor's sympathies with the poor and downtrodden are more theoretical than actual these days - the people who are going to be most hurt by the Andrews government push to self-ID are going marginalised women in prisons, shelters and hospital wards. But huh, who cares when you can have woke cookies with rainbow sparkles on top?

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