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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What to choose? To become a mother or to keep figure?

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AlessandraAsteriti · 21/08/2019 07:16

www.mother-surrogate.com/mother-or-figure.html
So this is a thing. Apparently, our bodies are now 'friable and excessively round' (maybe they should pay their translators better, so the English makes some sort of sense).
This website is horrific.

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2BthatUnnoticed · 21/08/2019 08:06

!!! Now I’ve read it all!

Wherearemyminions · 21/08/2019 08:19

That is absolutely chilling, the guaranteed gender package, VIP packages, the marketing of "keeping your figure" The whole thing is just babies as commodities, "get a baby without having to take time out and go through the hassle of pregnancy and birth"

Cascade220 · 21/08/2019 08:54

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Azeema · 21/08/2019 09:28

Hah! We all change from young to old figure eventually.

Mammyloveswine · 21/08/2019 09:35

Fuck sake!! How ridiculous!

Also l! I was in the best shape of my life after DS1... not so much ds2 but I drink too much wine...

Seriously though this is bloody shocking!! What an absolute disgusting excuse for an "article".

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 21/08/2019 10:13

A fascinating, and disturbing, insight into the world view of those who seek to use surrogates.

This is 'child as a fashion accessory'. For most people having a child changes your life. Not just your figure, but your whole life. A lot of the things you used to do, those spur of the moment decisions to go pubbing, clubbing, meet up for sports, whatever you're into have to go. You now have to think and plan around your child. This is true of biological and adoptive parents alike. It is true of mothers and fathers alike (yes I know many dads are deadbeats but many are not).

Where is the thought not for how pregnancy changes your life but how children do?

It all reminds me of the sort of people who are so obsessed with the minutiae of planning their perfect wedding that they forget to consider the marriage that follows.

It also ignores the huge advantage of wealth when it comes to 'getting your figure back' if that is what concerns you. Celebrities, top models, actresses etc are much better placed than average to access support, people who will sort every detail of their diets and exercise regimes, people who can help with childcare. Last I looked Posh Spice still had her tiny, slender body despite carrying and birthing four children. It is perfectly possible to do so and much easier for those with resources than those without.

If your career is more important to you than starting a family that's OK, you can make that choice, but this smacks of having children to 'keep up with the Joneses'. That is no basis to bring a child, an actual living, breathing, human being into the world.

FermatsTheorem · 21/08/2019 10:24

Spartacus that article is terrible. I shall send it to my MP, I think, and see if I can get him on board with opposing changes to loosen laws around surrogacy in the UK. (I suspect sadly - he is Labour and v.v. woke - that he will come at it from the angle of LGBT rights and how wonderful it is for gay couples to have the opportunity to start families, rather than coming at it from the angle of how terrible it is to commodify human life and treat babies as disposable possessions, but I can only try).

Doobigetta · 21/08/2019 12:06

“Another famous example is provided by actress Lucy Liu, who in 2015 gave birth to her son Rockwell Lloyd with the help of a surrogate mother.”

Do you think she actually went through a pantomime labour with her friends cooing around her while the Handmaid gave birth next door? Under his eye indeed.

Doobigetta · 21/08/2019 12:08

And I spent many years weighing up the pros and cons of having children. My bikini body did not feature on the list of considerations, anywhere.

wacademia · 21/08/2019 12:12

and treat babies as disposable possessions

And women as walking uteri for hire.

wacademia · 21/08/2019 12:15

who in 2015 gave birth to her son Rockwell Lloyd with the help of a surrogate mother.

Liu didn't give birth. The surrogate mother did. I suspect that's your point, but it merits repeating.

Deliriumoftheendless · 21/08/2019 12:18

Well, on a related note, I think there’s a conversation to be had about helping women with body dysmorphia or eating disorders who want to get pregnant, but that conversation doesn’t involve surrogacy, but help and support with counselling and therapy.

SpamChaudFroid · 21/08/2019 12:29

Women, your only important choice in life is between being a mother or a Hot Babe Hmm

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 21/08/2019 13:05

Nailed it Spam

Tanith · 21/08/2019 14:10

Sounds like something from "Consider Her Ways" by John Wyndham.

Lumene · 21/08/2019 15:33

On top of all the other excellent points on this thread I wouldn’t be buying any kind of service from a site written as badly as that. It reads like a scam email.

AngryFeminist · 21/08/2019 16:19

Holy mother of fuck. The bit about not wanting to 'drop out of life' to be pregnant amd give birth, as though those thibgs weren't integral parts of life....shudder.

HollowTalk · 21/08/2019 16:21

Oh I thought this was another thread about one of Jessica Yaniv's dilemmas!

FWRLurker · 21/08/2019 16:29

That article where the bioparents wrote a letter demanding their 5mo abandoned child be euthanized... what the actual fuck.

There is a “huge head in the sand” / “if I don’t look at it it’s not there” aspect to woke politics in basically every realm isn’t it? Only the happy shiny rainbow side of trans / prostitution / porn / surrogacy sees any press coverage, the rest is to be ignored because it makes things too complicated.

Sorry, but people’s lives are not complications.

jannowitz · 21/08/2019 16:32

Awful.
Women seem to only be worth something if they can either produce kids or have a nice figure.
Sick of this planet.

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