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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Complaint to Stonewall, with response

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AlessandraAsteriti · 17/08/2019 09:23

This is possibly the worst answer they could have written. The arrogance with which the complaint is dealt with is off the scale. Sorry long post, but it has to be read to be believed.

							Lüneburg, 10 July 2019

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is a complaint addressed to the charity ‘Stonewall’ (Charity Number 1101255).

On 3 July 2019, I had the chance to read a letter that FOVAS (Female-Only, Violence and Abuse Survivors), a group of women victims of sexual and domestic abuse, wrote to your organisation (henceforth, ‘the letter’) .

The letter is quite disturbing on a personal level, namely in reporting the direct testimony of women victims and survivors of male violence. On this account alone, it deserved a considered and sympathetic response from Stonewall. To my knowledge, this has not happened. Of course, it is not my place to raise this as an issue, and this does not constitute the content of the complaint, although it gives a measure of your values if indeed you have not replied, nor you have any intention to do so. The letter contains, as obvious from the substance of the present complaint, actionable information, if false. To that extent, I can reasonably infer that failure to reply and take appropriate action might be an admission by Stonewall that the content of the letter is truthful.

The letter is also disturbing in its allegation of certain conduct by Stonewall. For context, the letter concerns a report issued by Stonewall in 2018, ‘Supporting Trans Women in Domestic and Sexual Violence Services’ . In the report, as stated in the letter, the concerns expressed by several individuals in women’s organisations, refuges etc, have been ignored. See for example the following quote:

'We find Stonewalls report to be highly misleading and unethical. We feel completely silenced and ignored as survivors of abuse. We are very stressed having to do this response when our energies should be focused on recovering from the abuse we suffered. Many of us are disabled and very unwell because of our abuse. Many of us are also lesbian or bisexual and feel massively betrayed by Stonewall.'

More disturbingly, the letter alleges that Stonewall willfully ignored concerns that were expressed, editing the evidence they had collected to exclude them, in order to present a picture of overwhelmingly positive reaction to the proposed changes. See for example the following quote:

'We have been notified by a reliable source from one of the organisations interviewed by Stonewall that they chose to deliberately leave out responses about concerns over women’s physical and mental safety with having trans identifying males in places like women’s refuges. We contacted this organisation upset that they appeared to be ignoring the voices of vulnerable women and were told that actually they did express concerns and Stonewall have ‘cherry picked’ from the response they gave and have purposefully chosen to leave out any quotes expressing concerns about women’s safety.'

Additionally, the letter alleges that Stonewall failed to collect evidence from the actual victims of sexual and domestic violence, so the users of the services, in addition to the evidence collected from the providers. See for example the following quote:

'We note that female survivors of male violence have been made completely invisible in this report. The analysis made by Stonewall UK is incomplete. For some of us our lives depend on having access to these female-only spaces. We feel ignored and silenced as survivors and that no account is being taken of this extra burden of speaking out as survivors of such sexual violence and abuse in addition to the burden on us as survivors when we can no longer rely on a fundamental principle of female-only rape crisis services for women & girls (female). This is supported by a recent development in Scotland where 71% of women said they did not want trans identified males in their spaces.'

This exclusion is significant in view of the fact that in certain cases, women’s organisations risk losing funding if they fail to cater for transgender individuals so they might find themselves unable to raise objections, as that could result in loss of funds and potential closure.

The letter goes on to claim that Stonewall ignores the specific traumas that could be suffered by females, which makes it unadvisable to expose these women to the presence of male-bodied individuals . As a victim myself of sexual assault, I am absolute in my conviction that any unwanted exposure to male sexual organs is a form of sexual assault, regardless of the gender identity or expression of the individual possessing those sexual organs. A fortiori if the female victim of this unwanted exposure is a child (any individual under the age of 18). This and the following claims reported in the letter, involving the specific traumas suffered by female victims of sexual violence are of course not going to be taken seriously by those who believe any male who decides he is now a woman becomes magically so, even in the absence of any outside intervention. I am not going to engage with this particular aspect of the letter (although, as I am in possession of a considerable amount of brain cells, I refuse to believe that the penis can be a female organ and other assorted absurdities gender theory throws our way. I simply find it offensive that women victims of rape are being told they have been raped by women. Women do not rape in English law. ).

The substance of the complaint is on the claims of unethical and potentially illegal use of data and interviews to substantiate the conclusions of the Stonewell report. As of now, I am unaware of any response provided by Stonewell to the letter by FOVAS. I am therefore requesting, in the first instance, that Stonewall makes available anonymised information of all the interviews and evidence collected in drafting its report, in their integral, unedited form. Several of the quotes used in the report are sufficiently de-contextualised that they may not at all have referred to the extension of provision of services to transgender individuals, but they are presented as potentially having done so (see for example page 10 of the report). This is consistent with the allegation in the letter of Stonewall having ‘cherry-picked’ quotes to advance its agenda.

I should add that this request takes the form of a complaint because as a woman I feel that the proposed changes could potentially expose women like me to additional risks when they are in the most vulnerable circumstances. Nobody is advocating for trans individuals not to be protected against the effects of sexual and domestic violence. I, and women like me, are simply pointing out that there are potentially nefarious consequences resulting from changing the definition of woman in law, and extending specific rights that women possess ‘as females’ to individuals who are not females. Some human rights are universal, but some are specific to certain categories (women, migrants, children, disabled people, racial minorities ) and it serves nobody’s interest to pretend that those rights can be extended beyond the intended category without consequences.

The substance of the complaint is contained in the previous paragraphs. The process of lodging the complaint to Stonewall forces me to add a procedural section. When I originally read the letter by FOVAS I was so disturbed by the content and the allegations contained in it, that I thought it proper to address the issue directly to the Charities Commission. In the course of familiarising myself with the process, I noted that the Charities Commission recommends that the issue be solved, or attempted to be solved, in the first instance with the charity itself. Therefore, I accessed Stonewell’s website to find out what the process of lodging a complaint with the organisation entailed. This is when I found out that Stonewall provides absolutely no information on its website on how to lodge a complaint. So, I used the General Enquiry section of the website and I sent an email, which was replied to, timely I should add, with a request to explain the substance of the complaint, so that a non-better defined ‘senior team’ could address it. The individual also admitted there is not a dedicated complaints team at Stonewall.

I do not think it acceptable that an influential, large and well funded charity as Stonewall should have no procedure in place, and no publicly available information about, a clear, transparent and accessible complaints procedure and I strongly advise that Stonewall remedies this deficiency as part of responding to the present complaint.

Sincerely,

Alessandra Asteriti

Dear Professor Asteriti,
Thank you for getting in touch with us.
We always work with third party organisations to ensure our research is balanced, ethical and adheres to appropriate guidelines (including maintaining confidentiality agreements with our participants).
The objective of our research was to present the views of providers, specifically their insight on how they deliver their services to trans survivors and their views on the Government’s proposed reform to the Gender Recognition Act. We commissioned interviews with participants with significant experience in frontline service provision, to build an understanding of the policies and processes that services use to support trans survivors and whether the proposed reform of the Gender Recognition Act would impact the way in which they operate.
The content of the report is drawn from 15 interviews with representatives from standalone services and national umbrella bodies working in the sector across England, Scotland and Wales. The themes reported in the research were verified by the research organisation we commissioned to conduct this work as being a fair and balanced report of the views and experiences of the participants.
We direct complaints to our public inbox, so that they can be escalated to the senior staff member responsible.
Kind regards,

Stonewall

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 17/08/2019 09:36

My experience of making complaints is that if your complaint is any longer than three short sentences presented as bullet points then it will be willfully misinterpreted or your actual complaint will be ignored and some minor point addressed instead.

Igmum · 17/08/2019 09:46

Brilliant complaint. Appalling reply. Definitely escalate and following @Birdsfoottrefoil's comment I'd summarise what you want in a numbered list at the end. Hope the Charities Commission will deal with this

MereMinion · 17/08/2019 10:05

They really do think they're untouchable. It's going to be a hard fall from (dis)grace when it comes. Might take a while, but it will come. Fantastic letter, and sets up your next move to the CC perfectly.

FormerMediocreMale · 17/08/2019 10:16

Great letter OP and awful response. I hope CC take concerns more seriously.

Angryresister · 17/08/2019 10:44

Great letter and agree the CC should be very interested , but I doubt if without this letter they would understand any of the issues

2BthatUnnoticed · 17/08/2019 13:01

Angry infuriating

Great complaint letter though OP. It was worthwhile to do, and thank you - many vulnerable women have no voice in this, you spoke for them Flowers

AlessandraAsteriti · 17/08/2019 13:29

I did reply to say they should like transparency because it has the word trans in it. It is going straight to the CC (excuse the pun).

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stealthsquirrelnutkin · 17/08/2019 13:39

Thank you so much for writing that complaint. Their nonchalant response clearly indicates that their sole concern throughout was for the support of trans survivors. The needs of female survivors were ignored, and any concerns raised about their well being were erased.

It is a scandal that a charity set up to protect the interests of lesbian and bi women has chosen to actively work to undermine their best interests and destroy their places of refuge. I hope the charity commission sees the seriousness of this betrayal.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 17/08/2019 13:44

What does the CC actually do? What is their remit?

AlessandraAsteriti · 17/08/2019 13:53

www.gov.uk/complain-about-charity
I am sure the bar is quite high, but it is worth a try

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Birdsfoottrefoil · 17/08/2019 14:00

*Other serious complaints
Complain to the Charity Commission if a charity is, for example:

not doing what it claims to do
losing lots of money
harming people
being used for personal profit or gain
involved in illegal activity*

Definitely harming people.

OvaHere · 17/08/2019 19:45

Your letter is excellent. Their response expectedly crap.

ThePonderer · 17/08/2019 20:02

Definitely harming people

and "Not doing what it claims to do".

Stonewall mission statement: "We work to ensure that LGBT people, across all communities, are valued, welcomed by all and can participate fully in society, and to ensure that LGBT people better understand and respect difference across LGBT life."

Are the L valued and welcomed at Pride? Are differences being respected?

ThePonderer · 17/08/2019 20:06

Also, from the same Stonewall mission statement:

"We will continue to campaign and lobby governments to change laws that do not ensure equality for LGBT people, or laws that do not go far enough. We will ensure that laws already in place to protect LGBT people are not rescinded. We will work with governments and others to improve equality for trans people."

That's quite oddly worded, isn't it?

If you've already said you're focussing on equality for LGBT people why do you need the extra sentence about improving equality for trans people? It's almost as though some people should be more equal than others.

Weezol · 17/08/2019 20:12

We always work with third party organisations to ensure our research is balanced, ethical and adheres to appropriate guidelines

If only that was true.

Victoriapestis01 · 17/08/2019 20:50

Hi OP, I work in a context where I have to look at and comment on legal/procedural complaints, often focusing on data use and general principles of administrative propriety.

Given my experience at work, I would strongly recommend that a complaint to a regulatory body like the CC be as short and punchy as possible. Numbered paragraphs, bullet points.

Looking at your complaint, I think the vital substance of it is that in the 2018 report Stonewall presented information in a misleading and partial way. This wasn’t in accordance (presumably) with the information given to persons/bodies interviewed about how their data would be used- they relied on false assurances. And it was sufficiently misleading to be dishonest, and a breach of CC requirements relating to integrity etc (I assume there are some).

Is this right? If so I’d put the focus on this- the issues about the report and its reliability- rather than on the FOVAS letter. I understand that the FOVAS letter was very shocking, but I suspect that emphasising that will take the focus away from the core of the complaint, this bring a report that was partial and unreliable, and prepared dishonestly to serve an agenda, rather than in accordance with principles of openness and honesty.

AlessandraAsteriti · 17/08/2019 21:02

@Victoria
thanks! I was planning a short complaint to the CC. I do not rate the chances, especially given the fear about touching these issues. Wish me luck!

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Sanddancer99 · 17/08/2019 23:25

Stonewall have used this research report in support of their recommendation to the Women and Equalities Commitee (WEC) that “the UK government coordinates a national action plan on trans inclusion in domestic and sexual violence services...” If, as stated by FOVAS, they have deliberately excluded any concerns about trans inclusion, and have cherry picked data to support a preconceived conclusion, they would be in breach of Charity Commission guidance on political activity. This guidance states that research in support of political activity needs to be “properly conducted using robust and objective research methods” and that information in support of political activity must be “factually accurate.”
(See Stonewall evidence to the WEC review on enforcing the Equality Act and the role of the EHRC).

AlessandraAsteriti · 18/08/2019 08:41

@Sanddancer99
Thanks for brilliant comment, that is why I started this thread, to get comments! I will be working on complaint this week.

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HandsOffMyRights · 18/08/2019 08:52

Great letter from you.
Pathetic response from Stonewall.

Thank you and good luck.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 18/08/2019 09:10

Agree with Victoria keep the complaint to no more than three short bullet pointed sentences. These can then be expanded by a short paragraph each. It is hard to do this sometimes but helps focus on what the actual problem is and how this breaches CC rules (as opposed to generally poor behaviour they might not be that interested in). Letters, reports etc can be attached as ‘supporting documents’

Birdsfoottrefoil · 18/08/2019 09:13

Well don for pursuing this.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 09:17

They are greasing their own pole to be honest, as a lot of charities are doing these days.

Will come down with a hell of a thump and all their supporters will run for cover.

Their race is run. They are irrelevant to LGB these days and should rename. They aren’t worthy of the name and it’s connotation.

AlessandraAsteriti · 19/08/2019 15:15

Update: complaint to CC sent, they do not provide updates, which is not good. I guess I need to wait to see if anything transpires. Very unsatisfactory

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WelshMoth · 19/08/2019 15:40

Are the L valued and welcomed at Pride? Are differences being respected?

Not the adult human female kind of L.

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