Propaganda aimed at 'trans kids' in today's Guardian

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/16/i-have-some-important-things-to-tell-transgender-kids-today-right-now-youre-perfect

"Sadly for you, not everyone can be a chicken"

... but don't worry, anyone can be a woman.

The debate has kicked off a little in Australia. I suspect due to two factors Twitter coverage of the Yaniv debacle and the recent announcement from Cricket Australia.

As to the article... what's the saying? I can stick feathers in my butt, ain't gonna make me a chicken...

Sadly over here, with the exception of a few radfems and brave academics, the only people speaking loudly and publicly are very right wing or Christian conservative. Still on the bright side, the general public aren't buying it but are not outraged enough, yet....

Empty words and no boundaries

Exactly this.

Does the Cloaca question means what toilet to use. I don't get it otherwise.

I don’t think it’s ethical for broadcasters, newspapers etc to refer to ‘trans children’ at all.

A poster in a now deleted thread talked about 'trans children', so I asked them to explain what they meant. They said a child who 'needs to transition'. I asked for a more detailed explanation of what they meant, but I didn't get an answer before the thread was deleted, but they asked me what I thought a 'trans child' was. I said I didn't know, because I don't think it's possible for a child to be 'trans'.

To expand on that, I think a 'trans child' is a child who has been persuaded by the trans cult to think that there is something wrong with their body. Or that the way they want to live is incompatible with their sex, so they need to change their body to resemble the opposite sex in order to live as they want to.

I still haven't seen a definition of what it means for a child to be 'trans' which indicates that my definition is wrong. These children are caught up in a dangerous ideology which is being supported by media outlets like the Guardian which are behaving in a totally irresponsible manner.

‘Trans children’ will got the way of ‘indigo children’ (remember them?)

@ChattyLion

I don’t think it’s ethical for broadcasters, newspapers etc to refer to ‘trans children’ at all. They wouldn’t refer to ‘Labour children’ or ‘Conservative children’ or ‘Communist children’ or ‘Fascist children’ would they?

Absofuckinglutely! Perfectly put

@LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD NO! What were Indigo Children?

Very Special Little Souls.

Indigo children, according to a pseudoscientific New Age concept, are children who are believed to possess special, unusual, and sometimes supernatural traits or abilities.

There seemed to be a wave of the critters when DS was little.

Haven’t met a mum announcing ‘of course Django is an indigo child, that’s why he is so spirited...’ for ages (whilst Django was chewing the heada off the dahlias).

Oh my gosh, indigo children, I'd forgotten all about them. When my DDs were little we lived in a village in southern England which attracted more than its fair share of New Age hippie types. DD1 had a friend in Reception whose parents were convinced she was an indigo child, and there were always a few parents who insisted on asking questions at parents evenings about how the school would accommodate the very particular needs of their indigo little ones. But then we moved to Scotland and I never came across anything similar up here. Maybe too cold for them!

Thanks LordProf re Indigo Children explanation

I remember the murmuring about indigo children when DD was a baby.
Reading that list she obviously is one and I didn't realise!
Don't hear a peep about them now sadly.

Assumed the cloaca question referred to the chicken vs egg debate. I'm guessing there's no point chucking that out there as a possible for what the author meant though? And yes, I'm about to google what's been mentioned up thread.

On first google of 'cloaca question', I see the definition of cloaca in relation to human females.

I've only ever known the word to refer to the dual-job butthole of a snake or bird, through which they both poop and lay eggs, ergo why I assumed it meant the chicken vs egg debate.

"Right now you are perfect"

If they are, why the blockers and hormones?

Why are perfect children being medicalised for life?

'Your queerness is something sacred and special to be celebrated'- What the fuck? NO! YOU are someone sacred and special and should be celebrated! Whether you're 'queer', female, male, academic, sporty, autistic, quiet, loud, epileptic, shy, a human being etc. Trans people (or gay, lesbian, bi, non binary, whatever!) are no more special than anyone else. Suggesting they are is just begging for every 'square peg round hole' feeling kid to jump on the bloody bandwagon.

On first google of 'cloaca question', I see the definition of cloaca in relation to human females.

I've only ever known the word to refer to the dual-job butthole of a snake or bird, through which they both poop and lay eggs, ergo why I assumed it meant the chicken vs egg debate.

Well, I suppose the cloaca question is an expansion of the (offensive) conflation of trans and intersex they're always doing?

I don't like the statement that queerness is to be celebrated and is special.

It's equal.

Not worse not better, equal.

Thing is, most of it comes across as GC. “You’re perfect as you are”- so nobody should be giving you puberty blockers, or hormones, or binders, or suggesting surgery. "Sadly for you, not everyone can be a chicken”- so anybody telling you otherwise is lying to you and doesn’t have your best interests at heart. It’s only the queer non-binary bit that’s off.

This idea of indigo or trans children is crazy. in my day many girls were tomboys, many boys were "romantic", but we never considered that to be pushing sexual boundaries. It was simply pushing gender boundaries.

You are perfect as you are...
we just need to put you on puberty blockers because your body is growing in the wrong way,
then snip a bit off here and another bit off there,
then put you on medication for the rest of your life,
and you will never be a biological parent,
...but apart from that you are perfect - lucky in fact.

I contacted the community of behalf of my trans kid - parental permission needed to attend Rainbow Kids event - and asked some questions before I signed the permission slip.

One of the things I asked was 'what adult supervision is in place and who are the adults supervising?'

Never. Heard. Back. Community loves my kid so much they can't even answer a freaking most basic of basic safeguarding question. I did not sign the permission slip.

People in the community - other than rad fem lesbians, a sprinking of gay men and some older transexual people - do not love my kid at all. They want to recruit my kid, but they don't love him. If they did, they would answer my questions.

Guardian Australia is full of such bullshit.

NotBadConsidering

Blockers are a touchy subject at TGA. When I commented on a different article the other day and briefly mentioned blockers as an example of an issue parents may be concerned about, there was a very quick jump to shut down any conversation about it.

I think that's because people know blockers are bad, and they know they can't continue to advocate child transition once parents know how bad blockers are.

JanesKettle

I think what was interesting was I was pre-moderated without there being any indication of such. Which means one of two things: either I have been singled out, or they were monitoring comments anyway for those critical of puberty blockers. It’s very telling.

I’ve had enough of it all. I’m going to start escalating concerns professionally about puberty blockers.

I’ve had enough of it all. I’m going to start escalating concerns professionally about puberty blockers.

Good on you. Hope it doesn't have dire consequences for you professionally though.