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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scientists ogle women for a study; Tweeters ask DrChristian for comment

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drspouse · 15/08/2019 14:14

Twitter link here

Also Dr Ranj though TBF he did reply "eww". And at least nobody asked Dr Haddock.

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Haworthia · 15/08/2019 14:16

Saw this earlier. What piece of crap journal published this? How did it get approved in the first place? Why on earth was it considered a relevant line of enquiry?

Does anyone have an abstract? I’d love to know where the authors thought they were going with it Hmm

drspouse · 15/08/2019 14:18

There is an abstract on the Twitter thread, I think.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 15/08/2019 14:20

WTAF?!

Haworthia · 15/08/2019 16:41

Here’s the full text: www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(12)02127-9/fulltext

So the question really was “Are attractive women more prone to rectovaginal endometriosis?” FFS. Like that could genuinely help doctors make a diagnosis! Can you imagine going to see a gynae with a history of endo symptoms, only to be told “well madam, I really don’t think it could be endo... you’re not pretty enough”.

My favourite line is: The experience of chronic pelvic pain may induce anxiety and depression, thus hypothetically indirectly influencing physical attractiveness.

ThePurported · 15/08/2019 17:06

The observation that subjects with specific phenotypic traits are prone to the development of particular organic or psychiatric disorders is an old medical tenet. Nowadays, these relationships tend to be explained based on genotype-phenotype associations, which have been suggested for over one hundred disorders, including diabetes, obesity, Crohn's disease, and hypertension (1, 2). Along this line, some recent advances in endometriosis research fit this view, as multiple studies have contributed to the definition of a general phenotype associated with the disease (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12). Intriguingly, such an emerging phenotype appears to be indirectly linked with attractiveness, because several of the physical characteristics studied, including body size, body mass index (BMI), and pigmentary traits (4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13), have an impact on perception of beauty (14, 15). A biological gradient between the degree of expression of these traits and the degree of severity of endometriosis has also emerged. As an example, with regard to body size and figure, an inverse relationship has been observed between BMI and severity of the disease in general (8), and in particular in patients with deep endometriosis (12). Despite this growing body of evidence, studies formally investigating attractiveness in women with endo-metriosis are lacking.

So when they say attractiveness, they mean BMI, size of breasts, and pigmentary traits?
This was in 2012. Have they done a similar study on the hotness of men with prostatitis, I wonder?

Goosefoot · 15/08/2019 17:12

I have seen a similar sort of thing done with regard to where women are in the menstrual cycle, whether they seem more attractive at that time, or there was also a similar one where they looked at strippers and what their tips were at different times in their menstrual cycle.

I don't know if the goal is really to improve treatment or diagnosis - though you never know where science might lead - so much as it is an effort to unpick what makes us perceive someone as attractive. I think that is an interesting question though realistically the reason for wanting to know is to make a heck of a lot of money.

I think it's fairly usual for patients in studies to not realise what the real reason for the study is, that seems to be how a lot of psychological studies are designed.

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