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If you fancy a good laugh. . .counter article on Peoples History Museum counterprotest

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Lucky222 · 10/08/2019 00:00

medium.com/@sistersuncutmcr/terfs-out-manchester-27-07-2019-2705a084b84b?fbclid=IwAR1L9zR4LpvSrw_NbcC7hCGY86rcJodOg9pVkl7HsYD0r31rlB6oe_opdHc

(Original article: medium.com/@Emilystake/what-is-a-woman-and-who-gets-to-tell-her-story-1aae33393c34)

Lot of funny parts amongst the usual blatant lying (no point guys, we got the whole thing on video!) pseudo-victimisation rhetoric, and liberal sprinkling of casual misogyny.

My fave bit, reading between the lines, was where author concluded that for the trans identifying men, turning up to the protest had been a bit much for them (so exhausted!) so bio females really ought to do everything next time.

Women: if you ever get fed up making all the placards and writing all the articles, whilst biological males take all the credit, come do some real feminist activism with us!

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donquixotedelamancha · 10/08/2019 21:25

If our presence there put them off, they did their best to hide this when they eventually arrived at quarter to three, by attempting to make fun of our chants and to engage us in discussion. In our safeguarding guidelines for the event, we had asked that people not engage with individual antagonism from TERFs; it had not specified what to do if they attempted to have ‘conversations’ with us.....Whilst in this case no members of the protest were harmed by this close-quarters engagement, some trans participants did report that it caused considerable anxiety for them, since the safeguarding guidelines had led them to believe that they wouldn’t have to be so close to TERFs themselves.

One one level, I love these people. I still really struggle with the idea that this is not satire.

How did the Jar Jar Binks' of politics get so far?

But last autumn, when I and other women were leafleting about the GRA consultation, I was out talking to dozens and dozens people over four or five weekends and never got any grief at all.

I tend to think this stuff is very effective but arguing with Genderists isn't. I would be very tempted just to go somewhere else each time there is a counter protest.

Justhadathought · 10/08/2019 21:47

Honestly! It reads like a total skit.

Lucky222 · 11/08/2019 02:26

If we'd have gone somewhere else we never would have got our lovely video of the TRAs or this golden penship.

Everytime they come out in public or open their mouths they do us a favour, I. E peak transing more of the great British public.

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donquixotedelamancha · 11/08/2019 07:45

Everytime they come out in public or open their mouths they do us a favour, I. E peak transing more of the great British public.

Very true. Whatever the approach, thank you to lucky and to all the women who do events like this.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/08/2019 08:10

Whilst in this case no members of the protest were harmed by this close-quarters engagement, some trans participants did report that it caused considerable anxiety for them, since the safeguarding guidelines had led them to believe that they wouldn’t have to be so close to TERFs themselves.

You’d think they were going in safari expecting lions. 🙄

It’s like end of a game of whispers. They think they heard that women are delicate flowers afraid of slightly raised voices and differences of opinion, not that women are, rightfully, worried about male violence.

So they play act a performance of simpering femininity, because the only women with any reality for them are the fantasy girls of their imagination.

If they were women, I’d be ashamed of their spineless whining.

thenightsky · 11/08/2019 10:24

the safeguarding guidelines had led them to believe that they wouldn’t have to be so close to TERFs themselves

Do they never go out then? I'm sure they must have come into close contact on the bus, in Tesco's till queue, down the pub etc. Wossies.

Ereshkigal · 11/08/2019 11:18

the safeguarding guidelines had led them to believe that they wouldn’t have to be so close to TERFs themselves

That's the funniest thing I've read all morning. Grin

Pota2 · 11/08/2019 14:42

Shaking my head. Where have we got to when people feel ‘unsafe’ simply by being in proximity of someone who disagrees with them? What the hell?
I read some long diatribe from a trans man on twitter who claimed to be unable to attend a large academic conference because one of the speakers there was apparently a ‘TERF’ and calling on the academic community to ‘ban TERFs if you really care about trans people’. This sort of ridiculous behaviour should not be indulged. You have no right to demand that people agree with you. If you don’t want to attend something because someone has an opposing viewpoint, don’t, but the problem is YOU, not anyone else.

NotAtMyAge · 11/08/2019 16:06

Where have we got to when people feel ‘unsafe’ simply by being in proximity of someone who disagrees with them? What the hell?

It's the logical consequence of the emphasis on safe spaces and trigger warnings which is now so prevalent in higher education. Instead of encouraging young people to develop strength and resilience, which we all need to cope with life, it seems to be all about protecting them from any stress or challenge to their own ideas or self-perception. I do worry how they will deal with the inevitable problems they will encounter out in the big world.

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