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It feels like progress is being made

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StealthPolarBear · 09/08/2019 07:10

From fairplayforwomen
Last week the Women and Equalities Select Committee said what so many women concerned about gender self-ID have been saying: organisations need clear guidance on what the law says on single sex services, and the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) should provide it.

Jessica yaniv is helping make people awsre how important this is and how it is open for abuse.

There seems to be the beginnings of a backlash of the way young people are treated with many clinicians saying they are not happy with puberty blockers and the assumption that transition will cure all.

Is it just the lovely weather (??) or am I starting to see a way out of all this madness?

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Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/08/2019 07:41

I hope you are right Stealth, there has been a succession of small steps and others with potential. Some of the upcoming legal cases could be pivotal if and - it’s a big if - they go the right way.

I also think progress is being made towards peak transing the nation. The Oscar has to go to JY but Pride should get an honourable mention for their treatment of lesbians.

I just hope it’s not a summer blip with normal service being resumed in September.

If/when we have a general election a new government will take policies forward & deal with legal rulings. I’m not confident in either a lib/lab/snp coalition or conservative/Brexit. They both depress me.

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StealthPolarBear · 09/08/2019 07:45

I'm not sure the pride issues were quite as well covered. I had a lot of colleagues waving the pride flag.

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MIdgebabe · 09/08/2019 07:54

And JY will be considred a mental health problem not a problem with self ID and TWAW logic

DpWm · 09/08/2019 08:23

Midge
I'm not so sure. I think most people can see that JY is mentally unwell, but the laws in Canada clearly allow him to act the way his does with no repercussions, and so there's an obvious problem with the laws in Canada.

FormerMediocreMale · 09/08/2019 08:28

I'm not so sure. I think most people can see that JY is mentally unwell, but the laws in Canada clearly allow him to act the way his does with no repercussions, and so there's an obvious problem with the laws in Canada.

I agree, people are seeing that this creep has been enabled by the crazy laws.

FormerMediocreMale · 09/08/2019 08:32

I really hope you are right about clinicians not wanting to use puberty blockers. At the end of the day if they prescribe them they have to take a certain level of responsibility for any consequences, saying i didnt want to be called a transphobe is simply not good enough.

BustedWench · 09/08/2019 08:55

I'm not so optimistic, we still have huge hurdles ahead. I was being re-interviewed by the police yesterday, there is so much work to be done to reverse policy and guidelines.

The Fair Cop Campaign has made a huge step toward that, but this shit runs very deep and women are being punished

OvaHere · 09/08/2019 09:01

I feel progress is being made in terms of public awareness of what is going on and the W&E Select Committee report is a step in the right direction.

I fear BustedWench is right though, this shit runs very deep and has captured virtually every government body and organisation out there. It's going to take a long time to unpick.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 09/08/2019 09:19

I'm not so optimistic, we still have huge hurdles ahead. I was being re-interviewed by the police yesterday, there is so much work to be done to reverse policy and guidelines.

This^

The average person on the street has never been behind this, it's always been people in power, and it'll continue for a very long time.
And the end goal for them is to allow people to do what JY is doing, so it's not going to surprise or changed their mind when they see it.

Juells · 09/08/2019 09:27

The sense of entitlement that has been enabled in some people (by the unchallenged erosion of other's rights) is astounding. The 'netting' thing at a Pride march mentioned on a recent thread shows how they've lost touch with reality.

I got a notice from Twitter this morning that one of my posts had been complained about, but no action taken. I'd remarked, on a collage of photos of little girls who'd just had their breasts removed, that the operation must be so painful. That remark was so hateful, apparently, that it should be removed.

Imagine if these netters and twitter-complainers achieved the level of control that they want...

Alwaysgrey · 09/08/2019 10:49

I fear as a lot of the people in power are men nothing will be stopped. Unless something happens to their daughter, sister, wife etc. Maybe we all need to self I.D and start joining any men only clubs and see how they like it. It scares me. I have no issue with genuine trans people who are just trying to get on with their lives but it’s the predators that will use this loop hole. Why there can’t be a gender neutral space I don’t know. But once again women are forced to budge up and the ones hugely vocal about this seem to be trans women!

Yeahnahyeah · 09/08/2019 11:05

I was trying to explain it all to my benignly unaware cousin today, it's such a vast subject, hard to synopsis.... but she got it, well not really, but she compared it to the satanic child abuse era, which I thought was a good start. Cos we are in the middle of a mass hysteria. (There's probably a better phrase but ykwim).

BeyondDangerousTshirts · 09/08/2019 11:12

The problem I see is that the whole Challenor thing was last August, wasn’t it? Things go a bit loopy, and “look up” in August, then in September normal service resumes

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/08/2019 12:32

I'm not sure the pride issues were quite as well covered. I had a lot of colleagues waving the pride flag.

Maybe. I’ve heard a few folk at work muttering about the fact that Pride week appears to have been going on for several months though. They’re not homophobic, just bored. Finding out that Pride doesn’t actually treat lesbians well is going to exasperate them.

Goosefoot · 09/08/2019 12:37

I've seen some signs that people are becoming more aware and are not behind the changes, even here in Canada. I's on the radar of some journalists.

I am having a harder time picturing what a real change would look like though. Are they going to get rid of C-16, for example? Are things going to change at universities? (I've seen no sign that might happen, if anything the woke people there are digging in their heels.) Same with the CBC.

Goosefoot · 09/08/2019 12:38

I’ve heard a few folk at work muttering about the fact that Pride week appears to have been going on for several months though.

Yeah, I've heard some similar mutterings. Not so much the stretching it out but that there seem to be so many resources being directed into it, compared to other things.

youkiddingme · 09/08/2019 21:21

Locally there has been a pride march in one town one week, then a nearby one the next. This of course means that those that want can go again and again giving the impression that numbers are phenomenal - no idea if they are. And I'm finding more and more young people are going to their first Pride as allies. So what I'm seeing is actually more polarising of views - which seems rather similar to views on everything lately. Rainbows and glitter everywhere in these parts atm.

NotTerfNorCis · 09/08/2019 23:07

Pride week appears to have been going on for several months though

It is a bit strange. In Nottingham they've designated one road as a permanent 'rainbow road'. Pride month has become at least three months. Is this purely because it's fifty years since the Stonewall Riot or is every summer going to be full of Pride stuff from now on?

Thingybob · 10/08/2019 01:26

There seems to be the beginnings of a backlash of the way young people are treated with many clinicians saying they are not happy with puberty blockers and the assumption that transition will cure all

It's pleasing to see that the backlash around the treatment of children appears to be going international. The same concerns are being reported in The Australian.

www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/warnings-over-surge-in-youth-transgender-cases/news-story/8b4efbf389a0bd61e664f93a5eaf7315

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