Cricket Australia to let TW play on women's teams

[Doyoumind]

I don't really follow cricket and am in the UK but have just seen this on Twitter. The response is very negative so far. I wonder if they will stand strong against the backlash. Probably.

And what @Doyoumind said. No one dares speak out.

I don't know if that will change when someone is severely injured or dies. I wish we didn't have to wait for the accident to happen to find out.

From a legal standpoint, presumably non-binary men will be able to compete in women's sports also?

Because Cricket Australia allows some males to compete in women's cricket, so how can they discriminate against other males and prevent them from competing in women's sports?

And forcing them to lower their testosterone will be unfair presumably (because they don't identify as women), so that rule will be out the window also.

In five years time, the men who identify as women will be bitterly complaining about how non-binary men have taken over in their women's sports.

There will be 9 non-binary men and 2 men who identify as women in the Australian women's cricket team.

The women will be making the sandwiches though. The males will not be identifying into the shit work.

There is a significant chance of women being killed with this decission. I hope families when it happens sue the bastards.

Obviously the danger aspect is the most alarming and just incredibly careless and thoughtless of cricket Australia. From a game point of view, there’s no way a woman would be able to do what a male bowler or batsman can, it is incredibly unfair that women will miss out to men in any sport, including cricket. Just watch men’s and women’s cricket and you’ll be astonished they can’t see the blindingly obvious physical differences- both enjoyable games in their own ways.

What is rugby Australia’s position? Because if I start seeing men competing in professional women’s rugby, which has had fuck all support in every union in the world, I will seriously start protesting despite my anxiety around crowds. I will be inspired by the NZ anti Boks tour 1981. There are enough deaths in rugby as it is. Imagine putting a male prop opposite a female one in a scrum, they’d break her neck.

I’m really angry about all this today.

Jess

Rugby league Australia are bringin* out their policy on this in 2 weeks
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Rugby league?? That’s even more concerning.

I couldn’t find a NZR policy on this. Considering their domestic violence policy, I’m sure they’re all for male players joining the women and hurting them. Bastards.

I can’t believe this.. does FPFW have an Australian branch? This is awful for girls and women😢

There’s a speak up for women in NZ. They’re challenging the inclusion of laurel Hubbard.

I have absolutely no problem with trans players and mixed-sex teams. Male players and athletes are instantly recognisable because they have totally different physiology from female players. Every spectator will know what and who they are watching. It will be a mixed sex team.

Mixing sexes in sport is dangerous. You must know this.

Unfortunately I think England would probably go down this route as well, you only have to look at the organisations on their "Inclusion and diversity" page.

www.ecb.co.uk/careers/inclusion-and-diversity

Sicario

So, you have no problem with women facing male bodied fast bowlers (that will be the death of women fast bowlers), who will be using a lighter ball, which they will be able to propel quicker than the 5.5 oz ball used in men's cricket.

My post upthread gives just a few example of what can happen @andyoldlabour

The consequences of allowing men to compete against women don't bear thinking about.

TriptychDebbie

The problem is that the people making these absurd decisions are not in my opinion "normal people" they don't seem to have any empathy or imagination.

That's not what I meant. I meant that mixed sex team sports (like tennis mixed doubles) then fine. But it's head-fuck ridiculous to call it a womens team if there's a man in it. And everybody can see it's a man. The massive bloke rugby player with a pony tail. That bastard boxer who smashed that woman's orbital bone. The nasty vicious-tongued cyclist.

Everyone can see what is right in front of their own eyes. The more light that is shed upon this the better.

What's the endgame?

Biological female dies from a bouncer bowled by a male, or a collapsing scrum where the front 3 are all male.

Woman's family sues governing body, or club, re negligence/corporate manslaughter/reckless endangerment of life or whatever, rather than the individual. Insurance companies start adding cleverly worded clauses to exclude cover for injury or death inflicited on biological women by biological males.

Governing body tries to change rules , or club team unilaterally starts refusing to admit biological males. Males sue re: discrimination.

Governing body or club thinks "fuck it" re insurance and legal headaches and allows women's sport to wither on the vine. Women's contact sport, and sport which is effectively partially contact sport (cricket/ fast bowling) ceases to exist.

Meanwhile, non contact women's sport becomes more and more dominated by biological males. It's a slower process but effectively women's sport at elite level eventually ceases to exist as it is populated almost exclusively by biological males. Women still compete at amateur, grassroots level albeit fewer of them; girls no longer have female elite role models to inspire them. Biological males still win a large proportion of these grassroots competitions.

A certain section of the heterosexual male population very briefly mourns the passing of women's televised tennis and beach volleyball, but is too busy wanking over internet porn to bother emailing a complaint to anyone.

A section of the population at large who like watching these and other women's sports for the skill, rather than tits and arse, is a bit put out but doesn't really care that much.

Women's sport dies; two men and a slightly bored dog attend the funeral.

Funny how the minute women's cricket gains some.recognition, or the women's footy has, after a century of women.fighting for it, been accepted at the elite level, and players allowed a livable income.... Oh look, suddenly "trans women" are wanting in!!

And we're those "trans women" any part at all of the fight for recognition of women's sport, or the right to livable income of expected to devote professional levels of time to training, playing, pr etc ? Were they fuck.

I think some of them were assigned empathy free at birth @andyoldlabour

The numbers are worth thinking about.

They only need a few male participants in each women's sports in order to destroy it for women. Because of their biological advantages these males will very quickly rise through the ranks to elite level.

They only need 11 ordinary male cricket players in the whole of Australia to make up the Australian Women's International Team.

Just 11.

Fewer than 2 from each state.

There were only three males in the entire competition in the women's 800m track event at the 2016 Olympics.

These males took gold, silver and bronze.

All the women went home empty-handed. They'll be lucky to even qualify next time.

On another thread, we speculated that it would only take maybe 60 male athletes to win every single medal in women's track and field.

Only 60 male athletes. Taken from maybe 150 countries worldwide. Such a small number of male athletes.

But that is enough to ensure that it is game over for women in women's sports.

I don’t care how much a man lowers his testosterone or what he has surgically removed, a woman isn’t a man with something taken away.

Women are not the absence of something.

Bloody dangerous and utterly unfair. Cheating fucking bastards.

@andyoldlabour - that clip of Thomson is a blast from the past! I remember seeing Lilly and Thomson in their heyday. It's the line, length and consistency that's amazing, and the way he bowls outswinger after outswinger just by the batsman. Would have been terrifying to face. (Though it was their last-wicket stand in 82 or 83 which I remember most vividly - they came damn near to winning a test series! People say that cricket is boring, but that was utterly edge of the seat stuff.)

I can’t stress enough, this will NOT just affect elite sport. This will destroy the participation of women and girls at almost every level. All that will continue is women playing sport socially.

It works like this - a girl plays sport at her school or club. If she shows potential, she will compete at school / club level, then at country level. If she’s good, she will get on the national performance pathway for that sport.

In the uk, these programmes are funded to produce medals at European , commonwealth and national level .

However, if girls have to compete against boys at school and county/ regional level, they will never win. So there will be no point in even giving a place on these programmes to girls, as they will always lose if forced to compete against boys.

The children, teens , their parents and adult athletes who are currently competing at high level can do NOTHING to speak out about these changes, they are gagged by their contracts.

The only people who can do something about this are the general public.

I was in the pub last night chatting with a friend whose 11 year old daughter has been picked for county cricket trials. We're so excited for her. We've all experienced the dominance of private school educated boys in club cricket, to the point where only one of our state educated lads is still playing at the local club. For the girls it's much more open.

She's a cricket and sport fanatic. She loves the women's Ashes and the women's football world cup. It doesn't occur to her it could be any other way. I remember growing up only seeing women's sport at the Olympics really.

Sorry to be rude but fuck these fuckers who want to exclude her, make her lose and crush her. Own it. You want to stamp on the overwhelming, unspoiled enthusiasms of an 11 year old girl, for a shiny bit of metalware and the chance to force people to call you a woman. In the pony books of the 40s I grew up with, you'd have been called a pothunter. Inclusion my aunt Fanny.

That’s what annoys the hell out of me with the Kristi Miller and cyclepath argument of “there hasn’t been an elite trans winner/Olympic medal winner etc etc”. It only takes ONE woman or girl to miss out on a place to make any policy unfair. That can be the Olympics, state, club, school, or the 2nd XI of the under 16 girls’ team in the middle of New South Wales. The whole argument that “it’s only a few so it won’t matter” is offensive. ALL women and girls matter.