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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Morning Star: Doubt cast on Tavistock gender clinic's puberty blockers trial

18 replies

AlwaysComingHome · 06/08/2019 19:36

Not for the first time, The Morning Star shows the Left isn’t an entirely lost cause on trans issues:

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/doubt-cast-puberty-blockers-trial

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AgnesBadenPowell · 06/08/2019 19:42

Thank goodness for the Morning Star, who've been consistently sounding the alarm around safeguarding issues and analysing transgenderism in the context of class and sex based oppression.

I find it fascinating that the Mail and the Times are both in agreement with such a left wing paper.

MockerstheFeManist · 06/08/2019 19:43

Bring Back The Communist Party!

(Chorus: 'Which one? CPGB? BCP? RCP? People's Judean Popular People's Front, etc.)

AlwaysComingHome · 06/08/2019 19:48

It’s quite a useful resource if you are arguing with those who categorically won’t follow links to the Mail or Times.

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TurboTeddy · 06/08/2019 19:59

I think that's the best newspaper article I've seen on this subject, it's very well written. Let's hope we start to see changes in how gender confused children are supported. We may not be able to undo the harm already done but we can prevent more children undergoing untested and irreversible treatment with unknown long term consequences.

FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 20:01

A really very good article.

The conclusion of an analysis by Professor Carl Heneghan (2019) of all published studies of “gender affirming” hormone treatment was: “The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice in children.”

I wonder howhow much the far right paid them to publish this Wink

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/08/2019 20:08

Great article and yes helpful do those who won't read the times or mail.

ArranUpsideDown · 06/08/2019 20:10

Excellent article - thank you for posting it.

Plain summary of ethical and clinical concerns.

MacaroonMama · 06/08/2019 20:20

Great article. Pulls everything together.

Where it mentions the sheep trials (re puberty blockers) - am I right in thinking that when they talk about a critical window being missed, they mean for kids who go on blockers from say age 12-16 then stop, that they will miss puberty completely?

I know they say 100% of the cohort on blockers then go on to cross-sex hormones, but do they honestly not know what would happen if say a 16 year old girl decided to stop blockers and also not go on to male hormones?

Tell me they know what will happen...

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 06/08/2019 20:28

Great article, well done again Stephanie!

Macaroon I don't believe they know at all... They have some data on what happens when blockers are used for precocious puberty and then stopped at the normal age of puberty; but there can't be any meaningful data on this sort of use when people just don't come off them in any of the trials.

FWRLurker · 06/08/2019 21:37

Tell me they know what will happen

Nope. Since 100% of children in all 3 studies went on to X sex hormones they have literally no idea. It’s batshit.

I’m glad there is ONE scientist actually doing animal studies but really I have no idea how good a model sheep are in this regard. I would think a primate model would be more suitable.

Any case it’s insane to me that the human studies pass ethics review - in terms of both COI and informed consent they are all deeply, fatally compromised.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 06/08/2019 22:10

An excellent article from the Morning Star.

I could cry for those kids. They have been let down so badly.

LisaVito · 06/08/2019 22:15

Who is Stephanie Aria? Is she gender-critical?
I'm trying to pick things up as I go, sorry.

ArranUpsideDown · 06/08/2019 22:25

Who is Stephanie Aria? Is she gender-critical?

Stephanie is award-winning (literally) and GC with superb work on a schools resource pack:

conatusnews.com/stephanie-davies-arai-transgender-trend-john-maddox-prize/

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/08/2019 22:33

A very useful, well sourced article. The GIDS is not fit for purpose.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/08/2019 22:36

Reading just how appalling the medical ethics of the research are makes me wonder how many of the Tavistock's patients will be able to sue on the basis that they weren't told the truth about puberty blockers. In fact it reads as if it was worse than not being told the truth. They are being actively misled.

LisaVito · 06/08/2019 22:37

Thanks ArranUpsideDown.

She sounds wonderful, and very committed to saving kids from this madness. The article is really helpful in laying things out in detail, but easy to follow.

Goosefoot · 07/08/2019 00:15

Where it mentions the sheep trials (re puberty blockers) - am I right in thinking that when they talk about a critical window being missed, they mean for kids who go on blockers from say age 12-16 then stop, that they will miss puberty completely?

I read it as suggesting that certain things that normally happen might not, but not necessarily that nothing will happen. So, perhaps once they were stopped and the body started producing its own hormones, you'd get secondary sex characteristics, but the brain maturation element would not happened - whatever triggers that would have been interrupted and won't restart. Or something else similar, that's just a guess.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 07/08/2019 07:21

Thanks for this :)

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