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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Australia: potential fraudulent doctor behaviour and females with ‘established testicular disorder’

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NotBadConsidering · 05/08/2019 10:27

Today has seen the publication of a position statement of medical treatment for transgender adults in the Medical Journal of Australia (equivalent of BMJ, but much lower impact). In this news article, and in the paper itself (both linked below) one of the authors describes how they obtain prescriptions for testosterone.

For background, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) is how prescriptions are funded in Australia. The government decides which drugs it will fund, how much, and places criteria on the drug that have to be met in order for them to be happy to subsidise the drug for the patient. These criteria range from minimal to very strict. For testosterone injections these restrictions are “Authority”, one of the strictest. That means a doctor has to call a certain number, give the patient details, tell the person on the phone their patient meets the criteria, and they get given a special code in exchange that goes on that patient’s prescription. Drugs can be prescribed privately if the patient doesn’t meet criteria, but at full cost to the patient.

In this article and in the position statement, the author says, regarding testosterone for transmen:

“It’s not specifically listed [for transgender hormonal management] because the drug companies haven’t done studies specifically in transgender people and haven’t specifically applied to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee to get it transgender-listed,” said Dr Cheung.
“However, transgender men are males, and they have low testosterone levels, so they have androgen deficiency, and they don’t have testicles. So, we’ve been able to use the indication of ‘androgen deficiency due to an established testicular disorder’.
“So, prescribing for transgender males is not a simple thing of just getting a testosterone script. There are a few loops and hurdles that we have to jump over.” (my bold)

So to summarise, they are telling the government that the female they are doing the prescription for is actually male, and they are eligible for the Authority prescription because they have “an established testicular disorder”.

So there you have it. Doctors in Australia - people who I assume did go to medical school - think that females are male, and they’ve convinced themselves so much they’re willing to seemingly defraud the government out of pharmaceutical funding as a result. Females can now have a “testicular disorder” Hmm.

News article here:

insightplus.mja.com.au/2019/30/empowering-gps-to-care-for-transgender-patients/?utm_source=InSight%2B&utm_campaign=d4b15603c9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_08_02_05_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7346f35e23-d4b15603c9-42141753

Position Statement here:

www.mja.com.au/journal/2019/211/3/position-statement-hormonal-management-adult-transgender-and-gender-diverse

The most unsurprising thing about the consensus? Sexual function is only mentioned ONCE, in the context of some transwomen may want to keep their erections. Nothing at all about the impact on females. Various side effects are listed, but I read it as being very breezy with little warning, more as inconveniences.

I think this is ongoing minimisation of the impacts of these medical decisions, and I find it startling that they have basically admitted they’re lying to the government. That they don’t see it as a lie probably makes it worse.

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emerencemaybehopeful · 05/08/2019 12:09

Thank you for this.

So Testosterone isn't listed on the pbs for gender dysphoria (which doesn't exist in the dsmV anyway) or trans anything. And so doctors lie?? Openly.

Fuckers. All of them.

emerencemaybehopeful · 05/08/2019 12:11

Well. Instead of refusing to post it posted over and over. Sorry.

happydappy2 · 05/08/2019 13:00

Transgender men are not males though are they.....they are biologically women and need health care specific to their needs-this is so harmful.

NotBadConsidering · 05/08/2019 13:03

Fuckers. All of them

Well it was worth repeating GrinGrinGrin

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/08/2019 13:19

However, transgender men are males

How the heck can a doctor say that - let alone use it as a basis for subverting prescribing criteria?ConfusedHmm

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/08/2019 13:24

The dishonesty is shocking.

MacaroonMama · 05/08/2019 13:26

Doesn't artificial testosterone have health risks for women? Atrophy of the womb, or something? I am sure I have read about this by a detransitioner...

LonginesPrime · 05/08/2019 13:33

How can a competent doctor think 'oh, the drug company hasn't tested this drug on women...ah well, it's probably fine' and then prescribe it to women anyway?

JellySlice · 05/08/2019 15:33

Absence of testicles in an XX person is an 'established testicular disorder'?

🤯

DuMondeB · 05/08/2019 16:23

Isn’t this an admission of fraud?

MsMcWibble · 05/08/2019 16:32

Oh my god. Vile.

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/08/2019 17:45

I so hope he gets busted for fraud. And struck off for being a danger to his patients when he can't even tell what sex they are.

DpWm · 05/08/2019 20:07

I'm just bumping this because I have nothing to say, but have read it, and cannot fucking believe it.

Voice0fReason · 05/08/2019 21:21

It makes me want to cry and scream in equal measures

NotBadConsidering · 05/08/2019 21:29

I so hope he gets busted for fraud. And struck off for being a danger to his patients when he can't even tell what sex they are.

She. Dr Ada Cheung.

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stillathing · 05/08/2019 21:35

So.... Will somebody come along at some point and wish to research why so many more men are suffering with low testosterone? Are the causes genetic or environmental etc?

emerencemaybehopeful · 05/08/2019 21:52

'Doesn't artificial testosterone have health risks for women? Atrophy of the womb, or something? I am sure I have read about this by a detransitioner...'

Yep. And somehow this info isn't in the little box of risks.

JellySlice · 05/08/2019 22:05

Hence has not been tested for this use: the damage excess testosterone causes in females is already known and documented. It would therefore be unethical to 'test' the effects of huge doses of testosterone for non-therapeutic purposes on females.

NotBadConsidering · 05/08/2019 22:26

Doesn't artificial testosterone have health risks for women? Atrophy of the womb, or something? I am sure I have read about this by a detransitioner...”

Not a detransitioner, but Buck Angel.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/buck-angel-gives-advice-to-trans-men-at-the-gynecologist/#gs.ufjhm9

No mention of this sort of complication in the consensus statement...

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3dogs2cats · 05/08/2019 23:47

I am livid, and they will be given no this shit to young already troubled women.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 06/08/2019 00:10

How will they later code the hysterectomy, I wonder? Pretty sure they're not covered under Medicare for males.

FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 00:25

Trans "health care" certainly seems to bring out all the dodgiest of Drs.

Hopefully this admission of fraud against the government doesnt go unpunished.

JanesKettle · 06/08/2019 00:53

Specialists in AU often tweak authority scripts - I've had authority scripts tweaked for me because the only available drug for my chronic condition was not covered by the PBS for that condition, but was covered by a similar condition. They do basically stretch the truth in order to get permission to prescribe. One example might be 'fungal ingection in lungs, query re other sites of infection' to get an specific anti-fungal on PBS, when in fact the infection is confined to the lungs. Available for one situation, not for the other, but the only treatment for the condition not covered.

So this goes on fairly frequently, and I think might be why the alarm bells won't go off on this one. I wonder what lie they use to prescribe males with oestogen.

NotBadConsidering · 06/08/2019 02:08

I have no doubt there’s a bit of tweaking going on with all doctors and authority scripts, but I can’t think of another situation where a doctor has publicly admitted they aren’t just tweaking, they are completely reinventing the definition of male, and diagnosing females with “testicular disorders” to justify this. I imagine your specialist isn’t going to tell the world they are tweaking your Authority scripts!

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JanesKettle · 06/08/2019 03:49

Oh yes, it's a whole other thing, 'tweaking' a script in order to pretend someone has a disorder of an organ they don't possess.

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