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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Twitter Review of the Jette Knox ‘Memoir’

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FeckMum · 03/08/2019 11:14

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ZebrasAreBras · 03/08/2019 12:47

Wow - well done Sarah Esq - she read the book so we don't have to Wink Grin

2BthatUnnoticed · 03/08/2019 14:55

(Slight tangent below, as I imagine AKJ might see this - OP, hope that’s ok!)

Many women are concerned that Self-ID will be abused by predatory males (not necessarily TW - men) to target vulnerable women (see Chris Hambrook, Karen White). Hence the need for proper safeguards.

Amanda I believe has previously dismissed all such concerns as bigotry.

A certain Canadian is now using mis-using a trans ID to target and abuse vulnerable women. I know someone with a similar work-from-home business (a single mum). She is scared that men will simply start saying they are TW (one already has). I would be scared, too. She is alone.

Amanda if you see this - would you support safeguards for women like my friend and if so, what?

TinselAngel · 03/08/2019 14:59

I tend to think Amanda is more to be pitied than blamed.

SunsetBeetch · 03/08/2019 15:09

Amanda insists she is a lesbian and always has been. My sympathies are limited.

TinselAngel · 03/08/2019 15:13

I know, my opinions and hers on this couldn't be further apart but I'm reluctant to criticise a woman who has been so thoroughly gaslit. The trans widows will be here for her when the make believe castle falls down.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/08/2019 16:19

The odd thing is that her child announced they were trans before her husband did. I always assumed the child was copying the husband.

FeckMum · 03/08/2019 16:45

She has to play along or her entire world would crumble.

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FormerMediocreMale · 03/08/2019 17:40

The odd thing is that her child announced they were trans before her husband did. I always assumed the child was copying the husband.

I was surprised by this, I wonder if hubby got jealous of all the attn and decided to follow suit - social contagion?

FormerMediocreMale · 03/08/2019 17:43

She has to play along or her entire world would crumble

Yes and having helped her child trans and made herself a T super ally she could hardly be seen to reject OH transing.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 03/08/2019 19:56

I agree, Tinsel.

On one hand i find her insufferable and yet, on the other hand, i have visions of her crying into a pillow at night.
And I mean that genuinely.

FloralBunting · 03/08/2019 20:08

Genuinely understand the generous heart behind those of you who are expressing concern for her.

I manage to get there for a few seconds, but then the fact that she has done what she has done to her child and then made a little media career niche for herself hits me, and my sympathy ebbs. If she had married her AGP who then transitioned and she found herself stymied when her child started it, then I might feel a bit different as that would be a bit more understandable.

But this looks very much like she has taken her opportunity for vicarious stunning bravery and run with it like a slow motion touchdown.

Her spiky demeanour may well be due to a cognitive dissonance that rages like a hurricane, and that is sad to a point. But she has had her child medicated for life plus sterilization, surgery, etc. and takes every single opportunity she gets to piss all over lesbians and women who have had AGP selfish partners and she is now selling a memoir that sounds as convincingly truthful as Walter Mitty's Big Book of Things That Definitely Happened Like This, Honest.

I think she is one the most unpleasant characters in a trans pantheon of awful, awful humans.

zebrasdontwearbras · 03/08/2019 20:21

I have to agree, Floral.

I do feel some sympathy for her, but she would bite my head off if I expressed that to her.

I feel her writing, her constantly going on about the love, is a fairy castle in the sky, which will break if she stops "believing".

It's strange, because the most comfortable and happy people I know don't feel the need to keep going on about the love. It's just there. It just is. Rather like actual women don't have to go around constantly declaring their womanhood. They just are women. It takes no effort, no declaration. The love, the womanhood, just is.

I have no doubt that she loves her children - I think she's very similar to Susie Green in that she's done what she considers is right and best - but the rest, is just very questionable, and she, like Susie Green, shouldn't make her experience the absolute and only righteous path to follow. It's not.

FormerMediocreMale · 03/08/2019 20:21

floralbunting

I agree with all your points.

I think maybe i can sympathise then no! She like others has transed her own child and is in effect promoting it so others folliw suit - that the bit i cant forgive.

zebrasdontwearbras · 03/08/2019 20:24

Just to clarify, I don't agree with the path she's taken with her child - I just acknowledge that she thinks it's for the best.

FloralBunting · 03/08/2019 20:45

I'm sure she does think it's for the best. I've said this before but all but a very few parents who have harmed their children do so because they actually want to harm their kids.

Believing that your foolish decision to sanction puberty blockers and everything that will follow is the best thing you could have done is understandable on a very narrow level. The parents who stop feeding their baby formula and feed the child water and oil instead because they've been misled by quacks might mean well.

But to set yourself up as a public champion of that decision, and act as some of gross evangelist for the cause? Nah mate. I don't care if you had the best intentions. You did a bad thing and you're promoting it to others. There's no excuse in the world that gets you a pass for that.

FannyCann · 03/08/2019 20:48

What Floral and Zebras said. Sums it all up perfectly.

zebrasdontwearbras · 03/08/2019 20:51

I think they (Amanda & Susie G) do the public championing thing as a validation of the decisions they made for their child. If they make this "the absolute correct thing to do with your child, and anything else could result in suicide" - well, it's validation innit.

HermioneWeasley · 03/08/2019 21:49

I find her re writing history as being a lesbian and ALWAYS having been a lesbian so homophobic and offensive that I cannot summon any sympathy for her. She’s poisonous.

FannyCann · 03/08/2019 22:24

Agree. The lesbian thing drives me nuts and I'm not a lesbian. Sorry but I long for the marriage to break down so we can all have a good laugh at future dating choices. I know that's mean. But I do.

Seriously, it all goes back to the use and meaning of words. And that really bugs me. Words have meaning and need to have meaning - one only needs to look at the circus surrounding a certain JY who is man/woman/girl/dick plus balls plus vagina plus menstruation.....

Words mean something. HypOglycaemic v HypERglycaemic is a big deal with potential for serious harm if misinterpreted. Ditto man/woman and all the other stuff. Or there's no point in having the words.

Slight derail but I've been looking at this study today.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868281/

It's really important - "As cross-sex hormones administered for the purposes of gender affirmation may be delivered at high doses and over a period of decades, the carcinogenicity of hormonal therapy in transgender people is an area of considerable concern."

I happen to know a trans person who has developed cancer and I feel sure it is likely to be hormone related. But this doesn't seem to be being monitored effectively.

"their main limitation with respect to addressing cancer-related questions is a lack of reliable natal sex and gender identity information."

Male/female/homosexual/heterosexual - these are all words with meaning and when people turn the meaning upside down, as has often been complained of on lots of other threads, then it is impossible to gather important data with serious implications.

Her claiming to be lesbian doesn't affect public health policy but it must surely fuck with the minds of young people growing up and questioning their sexuality. It's just not fair. It really annoys me.

CodenameVillanelle · 03/08/2019 22:35

Munchausens parents DO think they are doing the right thing for their children in some weird way. That doesn't mean they are deserving of sympathy.

FeckMum · 04/08/2019 20:57

An absolute cuckoo.

Twitter Review of the Jette Knox ‘Memoir’
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TinselAngel · 04/08/2019 23:12

My determination to show her sisterly sympathy is, I can see, going to crumble if I actually pay any attention to the utter shit that she comes out with.

It's a dilemma. My feminism must be for all women, even the ones I don't like. Does it have to be for the ones who throw other women under the bus though?

FloralBunting · 04/08/2019 23:18

Tinsel, yes. Even her. But part of that must surely be to say plainly that her desperate spinning justifications for her terrible, terrible decisions are flat out wrong. She'll need to own her shit one day. Part of feminism is not lying to women who are hurting others and pretending their choices aren't very damaging - to themselves or others.

That doesn't preclude giving her a hug and a cuppa or maybe a place to stay if she ever wakes up in horror at what she's gleefully consented to.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/08/2019 00:52

Hmm. So she objects to female homosexuals peacefully demonstrating in Leeds, UK.

And yet. A certain TW is using the trans umbrella to actively harm vulnerable women in BC, Canada and... not a word...?

I’m hoping she just hasn’t considered the plight of those working class women in BC yet, but does so soon, they matter too.

Ornery · 05/08/2019 01:17

AJK is living quite the denial. She blocked me on Twitter long before I got banned (lol) but I do find her predicament interesting. Like SG, where else do you go once you have enthusiastically sterilised your kid and enshrined gender as a demigod? I do feel an uncomfortable twinge of pity for her - easy to desperately try and do whatever you think the ‘right’ thing is for a child who is hurting - but using that to media-whore is where my pity ends for the pair of them. And using the subconscious twinges of their own conscience to push a dangerous ideology into others? Unforgivable.
But yeah. If she ever outlives the cognitive dissonance I’d make her a cup of tea and wish her the best.

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