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Housing is unaffordable for women in every English region - Women's Budget Group

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stumbledin · 02/08/2019 14:14

For many women finding somewhere to call home can influence so many decisions. What type of work you would do, staying in a relationship (entering a relationship), having children.

This is a recent report from the Women's Budget Group.
wbg.org.uk/media/press-releases/exclusive-data-housing-is-unaffordable-for-women-in-every-english-region/

And they also produced this report last year (unfortunate use of gender in the title!) wbg.org.uk/analysis/2018-wbg-briefing-housing-and-gender/

And if anyone is interested quite a long thread on telly addicts following the first episode of The Council House Scandal www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3647056-George-Clarkes-Council-House-Scandal

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HelenaDove · 07/08/2019 14:48

Exactly @HepzibahGreen the way the system is set up it doesnt allow for dating which is the period of a couple getting to know each other to see if they are compatible and also allows the chance to spot any red flags

thatdamnedwoman · 07/08/2019 14:56

@HelenaDove: I have no idea what the situation was like in the 1990s but for the last three years I've been trying to find appropriate long-term accommodation for a man in his 50s with diagnosed ASD and both learning and physical difficulties who has been struggling to pay his private rent since his mother died. He doesn't seem to qualify for PIP or disability benefits because he can just about function independently if provided with loads of informal support by people like me.

I've been told over and over again by his LA, his social worker and every housing association and charity I've tried that single men are at the bottom of their list of priorities. Once he gets to 55 he will become eligible for help as an older person but everyone I've spoken to has told me that if he was female he would have been offered social housing by now because women are considered more vulnerable. I'm happy to be corrected if you have evidence to the contrary but I suspect that on this issue being female is an advantage.

HelenaDove · 07/08/2019 15:07

@thatdamnedwoman Sadly i think its become shittier for everyone in a similar situation right across the board regardless of sex.

And they will probably be saying that hes adequately housed even though hes financially struggling due to the cost of the rent,

openthedoor · 07/08/2019 15:32

@thatdamnedwoman
I'm sorry about the situation your friend is in. I hope he does manage to find affordable housing.

I agree with Helena It's not his sex, it's being single. Certainly where I am, being a woman and/or vulnerable does not get you social housing. I'm both (female and vulnerable), living with a violent partner because councils don't house single people. It's more likely to be men, I think 85% of street homeless are men, but only because women are more likely to have children or live with a spouse/partner.

The 90s was definitely less difficult for vulnerable people. Not great, but with support workers advocating for you there was a decent chance of housing. Also it wasn't so hard to find private rented housing. Housing benefit was more commonly accepted, perhaps because it actually covered the full rent amount, which it often no longer does.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 07/08/2019 17:55

I'm glad that the posts have changed tone on this thread, this is a terrible state of affairs for women, especially given the cuts to public services too.

thatdamnedwoman · 07/08/2019 18:36

@HelenaDove

Sadly he is likely to be on the street by Christmas, when his private landlord, who's actually been very understanding and patient, and the council to whom he owes £2000+ in council tax, can't wait any more.

HelenaDove · 07/08/2019 21:11

@openthedoor Both the men that have lived in the flat underneath mine which is also one bedroom have been single men (from 1998 to 2017) he sadly died. And the one who moved in in April of last year.

Im the flat above EXACTLY the same layout and DH and i got housed here as a couple. The ONLY single women in the blocks here (cant speak for whole estate as its huge) are or have been mothers. There are a number of homeless women on the streets here.

@thatdamnedwoman there is a lack of one bedroom places which isnt helping.

stumbledin · 07/08/2019 23:54

Haven't really had time to follow this, but unfortunately one of the changes to housing / housing benefit was the right of younger single people to have their own housing. I think it was changed from 25 to 35 which meant that your only right to housing was in shared accommodation. This could mean that you could be one woman in a flat / house where all the other tenants were men.

re the older man with ASD surely the social worker should be getting him classified as not able to live independently so that he can claim disablity benefits. And hopefully move him up the housing ladder.

But it is quite likely that he would only be offered something in supported housing that wont be that good.

Is there a Cyrenians in the area?

Although I am sure some people dealing with housing claims etc., are shit, the real issue there isn't enough housing so they have to look for every loop hole to avoid responsibility.

If you go to the Shelter web site there is a section where you can enter your postcode and find the housing criteria for your area.

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HelenaDove · 08/08/2019 16:22

Found these interesting posts from an old thread. Posted by someone who said the same thing ive been saying for years. But her DH works/worked on HA homes.

LEMisafucker Thu 12-Dec-13 10:23:27

It is not ridiculous - my father worked all his life, my mother still lives in the 3 bed council house that they would have paid for ten times over in rent. It is not about moving pensioners out of their homes its about the money being paid in by people renting these properties being put back into the system and invested properly. Its about efficient repairs and moneies not being squandered going through middle man after middle man before the guy turns up on the doorstep to fix the boiler. My DP has worked on social housing contracts, subcontracting for a subcontractor whos is subcontracting for the main contractor who is farming all of this work out with god knows how many back hander with every little cog in the wheel syphoning off their money so where a job that DP would charge £150 for a days work (hes a carpenter) to a private homeowner, the same job is probably costing the council (the tax payer) £400 while everyone else creams their bit of money on top. He was astounded at the lack of organisation, waste of time, three people sent to do a job that could be done by one person etc. THAT is where the failings are, well, one of them, not allowing people who have paid into the system over the years to keep the homes they have paid for. Many pensioners CHOOSE to downsize, but even then suitable places are not available - you cannot put a pensioner for instance in a 1 bed flat on the fourth floor

same poster

There wouldn't be that problem of the maintainance costs if it wasn't such a lucrative business, contractors fall over themselves for SH contracts provide substantial "perks" its money for old rope. They pay underqualified workers a pittance of pay to get the work done quickly to a pretty poor standard and charge more than a premium job. So that argument for selling off the council properties falls a bit flat - there are people out there making substantial profits out of people falling on hard times

HelenaDove · 08/08/2019 23:43

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/residents-near-tottenhams-new-stadium-18864998

Residents near Tottenham's new stadium fear they're being 'pushed out of area'

Plush new £1billion stadium couldn't be further away from Love Lane estate as tensions between club and locals grow.

Outside, you are standing on streets that are among the 5% most deprived in Britain.

The stadium redevelopment was an opportunity to lift the prospects of the people who live here.

But, instead, as the regeneration surrounding the stadium continues with a development known as High Road West, many families now fear they will simply be swept away.

A new walkway proposed to bring fans from a new station entrance at White Hart Lane station brings its own statistics. 297 social housing homes threatened with demolition in a borough with a severe housing shortage

Where 10,000 households are on the council’s waiting list and 3,000 families are stuck in temporary accommodation.

Meanwhile, 30 small manufacturing businesses on the Peacock estate, providing hundreds of decent local jobs, are facing eviction via a ­compulsory purchase order.

The proposals will also mean the loss of a library.

BogglesGoggles · 10/08/2019 02:48

They’ve used earnings for women not single women (marriage and childbearing tends to bring down a woman’s earnings) so these figures are completely meaningless. What a complete waste of time and money. It’s a shame, this report would have been very interesting if it had actual facts and relevant figures.

HelenaDove · 26/08/2019 00:22

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-whose-partner-tried-kill-19001453

told by council to move 158 miles or face homelessness

HelenaDove · 08/09/2019 17:28

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/08/unlearned-lessons-death-of-woman-housing-mental-health-crisis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

Mother searches for answers a year after daughter set herself on fire in council housing office

Grieving mother still has questions over daughter’s death which followed months of anxiety over eviction threat

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“This didn’t need to happen – that’s the thing that hurts,” said Melanie’s mother.
“This didn’t need to happen – that’s the thing that hurts,” said Melanie’s mother. Photograph: Karen Robinson/The Observer

It is a year since Melanie Smith walked into the housing offices of Barnet council and set herself on fire.

Yet her mother, Marie Bennett, fears vital lessons that could protect others have not been learned. “This didn’t need to happen – that’s the thing that hurts,” Bennett said. “I don’t think anyone has taken on board that they could maybe prevent other deaths.”

Bennett is also still waiting for answers to her questions, including about Smith’s final conversation with council housing officers, after having experienced months of anxiety about being evicted from her home of two decades. “No one has told me who spoke to her that day, or what was said,” she explained.
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The nature of the tragedy that played out last August in north London seemed almost unprecedented in modern Britain

The desperation that drives someone to self-immolation is more familiar from foreign news reports: the protests of Tibetan monks in China, of demonstrators against Soviet tanks during the Prague spring, or the Tunisian fruit seller whose suicide sparked the Arab spring.

Several people have threatened to set themselves on fire in British welfare offices in the past decade: one man is reported to have badly burned his legs. But the tragedy in Barnet House, the concrete high-rise where the council housing offices were based until recently, appears to be the only death on record.

An Observer investigation has uncovered the pressures that were building in the months before Smith’s devastating decision, and how safety nets that could have protected her in a double crisis of housing and mental health failed at the most critical moment

There is no way to untangle the web of factors that contributed to Smith’s despair. But austerity policies have been linked to tens of thousands of extra deaths and a rise in suicides, studies have found, although most are private tragedies, not public protests.

“It’s the level of desperation that I find frightening,” said Barry Rawlings, a Labour councillor in Barnet, of Smith’s death. “It’s an individual tragedy but it’s also an indication of harm in our society. It suggests there needs to be a national review of policies on housing and welfare.”
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Smith arrived on that afternoon in August 2018 to speak to the council’s “statutory homelessness” team, using an internal telephone system that separated staff from petitioners.

At some point during or after that conversation, she shouted: “Don’t make me do it.” An eyewitness said: “I thought maybe she was going to attack someone.”

But the desperation was turned only against herself. A security guard rapidly extinguished the flames and Smith, who was in her fifties, was airlifted to hospital, but she died after several months in intensive care

Despite the extremity of the protest, once she was carried away in the air ambulance, she all but vanished from the public eye.

The council ordered its employees in Barnet House not to talk about the incident to journalists, sources claimed. Police confirmed only that there had been an incident and the local paper noted simply that a woman had been taken to hospital with burn injuries.
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Smith’s housing crisis began when an eviction notice arrived through the post in April 2018, warning that her landlord had started legal proceedings to remove her from her home.

She had rent arrears of more than £700, which her mother said were a result of the bedroom tax. In theory, she could have moved to a smaller home, but across London there are severe shortages of social housing.

Councils have moved tens of thousands of families out of their areas and many out of the city entirely, government figures show. Residents in Barnet said they had been left with no option but to move as far away as Leicester. Smith was not offered an alternative home by the council, her mother said, and knew her chance of finding one in Barnet was extremely low. But her life was rooted in the area. An artistic woman who loved painting and writing poetry, she kept in touch with a global network of friends and family on Facebook, followed national and international politics and regularly visited a sick relative who lived near by

She liked art galleries, and going on marches,” Bennett said. “Some of her poems were very long, some were political, some about love and life in general.”

Smith had also wrestled with mental health problems, including at least one suicide episode. Her problems were severe enough that she qualified for a free transport pass.

Two weeks before her death, she saw a doctor and reported suicidal thoughts, her mother said. She had also visited the surgery before the tragedy at Barnet House, to ask about a form that could have exempted her from council tax on the grounds of mental impairment, helping to balance the bills.

She said things were getting on top of her and she was finding it difficult to cope. But this was beyond anything you would expect
Marie Bennett, mother

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The doctor certified Smith as healthy, however, and when she tried to speak to someone from the practice, she was turned away by the receptionist, she told her mother.

The local clinical commissioning group said it was unable to comment on individual cases. Depression was given as a partial cause of her death, along with burn injuries

I feel she was let down in such a cruel way really,” Bennett said. “She said things were getting on top of her and she was finding it difficult to cope. But it was beyond anything you would expect to happen in life. Sometimes I still think I’m going to wake up [and find it was a dream], then it hits me again, the full facts.”

Smith had several meetings with Barnet council as the eviction notices built up, but staff were apparently unable to provide her with reassurance that she would be able to stay in her home. A council spokesperson said it carried out a safety review after the incident, and remained “committed to working together with our partners in helping to support vulnerable people”, but declined to comment on an individual case.

Judges handing down eviction orders ask for proof that landlords have made genuine efforts to find a negotiated solution. So a housing association would normally send several letters and make home visits to a renter who faces losing their home.

Smith’s landlord, the Home Group, said it was unable to speak to her because she “chose not to continue to communicate with us” after falling into arrears, but had informed the council about her situation

Given her refusal to engage, we were unable to have the conversations we really wanted to have, which were to help her find a solution in line with what she could afford, given her level of housing benefit,” said Matt Forrest, Home Group’s director of operations. “Our thoughts were at the time, and remain with, our customer and her family and friends.”

It is unclear what Smith was told in the council offices, but her mother believes she felt that eviction proceedings were already under way and could not be stopped.

“I believe she thought they were going to repossess her home,” Bennett said. “That’s the reason it was too much.”

Names have been changed.

Inebriati · 03/11/2019 21:58

That link shows how ridiculous the situation is.
You get into debt in emergency housing because you are a woman with kids, so it costs you more to stay there, and you find it harder to find work.
Then no social landlord will rent to you because you are in arrears.

HeIenaDove · 23/11/2019 03:08

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