BBC 1 now - The Secret World of Incels

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Putting it here rather than in the TV section. One minute in and it's fucking horrible.

I watched it on iPlayer last week

It's really disturbing that some of those men feel entitled to have sex with women they deem to be hot.
Then one of them (the creepy arrogant one) catfishes women and harassed them for not being interested in him. Part of me wondered if anyone has pointed out that many average, normal people have relationships; the reason no woman will date you is because you're a misogynistic creep.

Watching it.

I'm so glad it's being looked at, but it's not a good programme for this time of night.

I can imagine. I watched whilst feeling rubbish with pregnancy sickness one afternoon. I'm not sure there is a good time to watch it.

Don't know if I'll make it through the whole programme. It's making me so angry.

It's making me furious, too. So bloody entitled and sorry for themselves.

This last guy was much better, but I'm not sure I can watch much more, it's gone far too dark and upsetting with the rape narrative and now the murders. It's important that it's being discussed, but it's making me feel sick.

The catfisher really does show what it's all about. It's fine for him to lust after women who are more attractive than him (the vast majority)... any women who lust after attractive men are EVIL.

Yes, that catfisher is really awful. I honestly don't know what I'd do with these guys - you could lock them up but when they came out they'd be even worse.

Did they say what was the matter with that guy's skin? He seemed so much happier now that he'd got a girlfriend, albeit one he hadn't met yet.

Do they talk about prostitution at all? The word Incel strikes me as being men who don't want to pay for it, because they see a distinction between paid for sex and actual sex, whereas quite a lot of men don't.

If these men don't pay for prostitutes then I don't think they're as creepy as men who do:l. If they do pay prostitutes then scrap that!

I didn't think I'd be able to carry on watching this after the first two guys.
It's absolutely terrifying thinking about these men out there.

The third guy with the dogs seemed sweet though. He seemed so lonely I wondered if he had any friends or family around.
They put so much importance on needing women.

Catfish man is completely deranged

The father of the girl who died is amazing.

Catfish guy needs locking up somewhere very secure.

The man with the scabby skin said it was from using steroids.
He said he took them because that's what he thought women wanted

Interesting bit now about MH consequences of tech culture.

I am however glad they showed how some are just lonely people looking for support.

Because that really counterpointed they misogynistic groupings. The video statement by the mass killer at the start was horrible, and I'm not remotely surprised that no one wants to meet Mr Catfisher.

Catfish guy is potentially dangerous and should be locked up.

The dog walking guy is a bit odd, but he seems benign and is hardly undateable. I find it hard to believe he couldn’t get a girlfriend if he put his mind to it.

I've just watched it on the back of this thread.

It's true, Katie Cooper's dad was amazing.

What also struck me is that none of those men hate women as much as they hate themselves.

I don’t know if I can watch!

The catfish man was extremely dangerous. I think he had a history of domestic violence. It was shocking to see that sort of extreme misogyny.
The other two came across as rather sad - they both seemed to want relationships but were held back by their social skills and lack of self esteem. Incel forums were doing them no favours.

Walking dog guy said a number of people suggested that he might be on the asd spectrum; certainly what I picked up. He had a good attitude though.

What I found weird is that isn't it normal for single people to go through periods of being - well, single? And not having sex?

Something about the online screen swiping culture has led people to feel entitled or wrong for experiencing normal relationship stuff.

It shows that the potentially violent criminal misogynists are a subset, and are not synonymous with Incels (not a terribly good analogy, but it's much the same as not all those who support animal welfare will send bombs to scientists)

Indeed I suspect that violent potentially criminal misogynists colonise a number of other groupings, and they are themselves the problem, not the group they have attached themselves to this time.

The desire to be in a relationship is both normal and strong. Those who are frustrated can offer each other considerable mutual support - and indeed it can be argued that forums which help people explore feelings and find support are good thing, and foster healthy approaches to interpersonal relationships.

The problem is with the misogynists who have entered that space. The brief comments about mental well-being in the tech age, especially those feeling a bit fragile, interested me and I wish they had been explored at greater length.

If you think the documentary was worrying, for god's sake don't look at any of the incel forums on the internet.

I started watching it but had turned it off.

I did something I never do when watching a programme and that was commenting on the show while watching ( people talking while I'm trying to watch something irritates me) I was already wound up and angry as I had been listening to a podcast about Jamie Reynolds and how he hanged Georgia Williams so to hear Catfishman sent me over the edge! Where the hell does their entitlement come from?

DP had to listen to me saying stuff like ' why has the wanker got to cover his face if he is confident in what he is doing?' 'Why is the little prick so inadequate?' ' the fucker has just gone up to a random woman and called her fat! She slimmer than him, the cock!'
Watching it wasn't doing my blood pressure any good at that time of night!

I tried to watch but I found it really creepy and disturbing.
Also what's an Incel? I don't think its a term I want to google but really don't have the foggiest what it means