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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Boris Johnson appoints 'anti-trans rights journalist' as Downing street advisor

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stumbledin · 31/07/2019 18:57

I wouldn't get too excited about this as Andrew Gilligan isn't exactly a feminist being better known for his campaigning as a macho lycra clad cycling czar.

But even having a right wing trans questioner in No 10 could be interesting way of getting gender critical views into the inner circle.

What it also shows (and there was a really good article about this whose link I have lost) written by a journalist owning up that they, the press, treated Boris much more leniently and admiringly because he is a journalist and so have never really done a hatchet job on him, like they all ganged up to do on Theresa May (who is you remember took up the impossible job when Boris ran away).

So in America with have government by reality show and now in the UK we have government by Fleet Street (eg Boris giving Osborne's policies priority, who is / was his editor).

Unfotunately I think this will mean a lot of media coverage of Boris will now not be about pure reporting but about old media infighting using the real issues of everybodies daily lifes to score points off each other.

Sorry to say link is Pink News, but they are so diligent in tracking trans issues they often are first with info like this. www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/31/boris-johnson-appoints-anti-trans-rights-journalist-as-downing-street-advisor/

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MrsSnippyPants · 31/07/2019 19:28

He isn't anti trans.

wacademia · 31/07/2019 19:40

Please don't conflate questioning gender theory or opposing self-id with being "anti-trans". None of us want trans people to be harmed, we want a thorough discussion about how we manage conflicting rights and sunlight to be shed on some of the dodgier characters using "trans" as a shield so they can harm women and children.

donquixotedelamancha · 31/07/2019 20:00

Please don't conflate questioning gender theory or opposing self-id with being "anti-trans".

OP is just using the headline from the link. Pink News wouldn't know objective journalism if they fell over it in the street.

Cascade220 · 31/07/2019 20:01

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 31/07/2019 20:02

I have reported to MNHQ with the suggestion they edit the title to add quotes. Seems like an easy way to clarify things.

Hirsutefirs · 31/07/2019 20:04

Boris probably knows what a woman is.

Bubbletrouble43 · 31/07/2019 20:04

The minute I find any view of mine endorsed in any way by boris Johnson is the moment I stop to reexamine it.

donquixotedelamancha · 31/07/2019 20:04

I wouldn't get too excited about this as Andrew Gilligan isn't exactly a feminist

I'm not aware of any anti-women leaning in his writing. I found his articles on self ID to be forensic and fair, and he was interested when no other journalist was.

lucasthecat · 31/07/2019 20:44

@Bubbletrouble43 - Boris is notoriously and vehemently against FGM and a big supporter of his is the Somalian Muslim feminist writer Nimco Ali. I assume you are now pondering whether genital mutilation against a young girls Will is possibly a good idea

GCAcademic · 31/07/2019 20:52

The minute I find any view of mine endorsed in any way by boris Johnson is the moment I stop to reexamine it.

How lazy. Perhaps try thinking for yourself rather than basing your views on what other people think.

Bubbletrouble43 · 31/07/2019 20:58

Er sorry, it was a light hearted comment, I just particularly dislike boris Johnson. However I am cheered to hear he has ( according to some of you) got some sound ideas on some issues so maybe I won't completely write him off!

stumbledin · 31/07/2019 21:06

Goodness me, there are some days when it seems mumsnet posters want to find fault before even looking at the purpose of the post.

And as someone kindly pointed out up thread i was just accurately reporint a Pink News title, but prompted by MNHQ have agreed to the title being edited.

I wa rushed when posting, but still think despite all this quibbling that the idea that someone who is trans critical will be based at No 10 is interesting.

But accept it is not going to be high up the Boris agenda.

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 31/07/2019 21:38

Andrew Gilligan is a very good investigative journalist and, along with JaniceTurner and Lucy Bannerman, have been persistent in pursuing the extreme agenda of trans ideology and calling out abuse. Given the extent of regulatory capture in the civil service, they must be having a significant meltdown at the thought of Gilligan having greater access to government.

happydappy2 · 31/07/2019 21:59

Pink news are a joke-any journalist who writes clearly and honestly on the conflicts between transwomen and womens sex based rights, is not anti trans. The public can see this shit for what it is. I wish we had more women in No 10 though who could fight our corner.

Childrenofthestones · 31/07/2019 22:16

Let's be honest, Boris Johnson could find a cure for cancer and some people here would call him racist for not tackling sickle cell anemia first.
Just be grateful Catweezal in no 10 or the likes of Lily Madigan would be in the job.

bwydda · 31/07/2019 22:49

I vehemently dislike boris and am terrified of the future in his hands. BUT everyone is right sometimes and in some things he reasonable* . In this particularly. This is a good step for women's rights imo.

*eg - hitler was an animal rights activist- he banned fox hunting and goldfish bowls after all. I agree with those policies. It's just everything else that's abhorrent .

LolaSmiles · 31/07/2019 22:54

I vehemently dislike boris and am terrified of the future in his hands. BUT everyone is right sometimes and in some things he reasonable
I'm inclined to agree.
It's very dangerous to start agreeing or disagreeing with an idea just because of who said it.

sakura184 · 31/07/2019 23:07

The minute I find any view of mine endorsed in any way by boris Johnson is the moment I stop to reexamine it.

I hate the way the trans make the right seem sane

Childrenofthestones · 01/08/2019 01:14

As opposed to the left showing their lunacy?

WigglyWong · 01/08/2019 01:33

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Goosefoot · 01/08/2019 01:47

I tend to agree that lately I find the left more.. problematic?

There are some crazy extremists on the right of course, and on the left, but I don't mean those people either way. And I don't mean people who are a little dumb who also exist on both sides. I mean the plain old leftists and rightists from the centre to fairly far along the line with a reasonable education and brain.

I disagree with a lot of the right stuff because so much of it is based on individualism, but even then I find that for the most part, it says what it means and engages and doesn't get all up itself over language or who has to give way to whom.

The leftists are mostly individualists too, but are also difficult to have a conversation with.

Brain06626 · 01/08/2019 01:52

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SRYneg · 01/08/2019 02:16

well I never

SRYneg · 01/08/2019 02:18

Were not interested brain666

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