Casual use of 'cis'

[ToQueendomCome]

Hello,

I run a local fb group around a topic/movement totally unrelated to trans/feminism/sex but it's something (the movement not my group itself) that in recent years has attracted a lot of woke young people.

A member has posted an otherwise fine post, actually it's in support of a woman who does great work for this movement, but has
said "She should be the real 'celebrity' in the place of all the cis white males people follow in the movement."

Although this might not seem particularly inflammatory I'm not happy to stand by whilst 'cis' becomes a commonplace part of our language.

I haven't responded thus far because as the founder of this local group, people know me and my children in real life, so I'm feeling cautious.

Given the increasing wokeness in this movement I suspect posts like this will occur more often so I want to find a way of responding without creating pointless debates that I really don't have the time or energy to manage or in some way endangering myself/my children.

I'd very much appreciate any advice or ideas you have. Thank you!

Hey, genuine question, why do gender critical feminists hate the term 'cis'?

Hold your ground !

Cis is offensive as it creates a sub class of women when women is perfectly adequate.

To say cis means to say the opposite of trans and still for both to mean women when there is only one group of women as a sex class.

Personally I would stay quiet but watch out for creeping language and if it happens again ask what it means and gently point to how it reframes women in a way you find offensive.

I got chucked off a FB group at the weekend in a totally unrelated topic as I mentioned changing rooms and boycotts.

I would advocate watchful silence for the moment, especially as the context was male. When we start calling ourselves cis-women, however, we'll have effectively been elbowed out of our own identity. Time to speak up when that begins.

I'm not especially gender critical- but I absolutely hate the term "cis".

I am a woman. Just that- a woman...

Arrgh! Zombie thread!!

Is this a weirdness or just a different part of FWR that I have stumbled into?

ZOMBIE

@ZoeyAW

Hey, genuine question, why do gender critical feminists hate the term 'cis'?

Because that term is part of gender ideology and ideas about trans, which is either seen as problematic, or is not shared at all. If someone wants to call themselves cis, that's one thing, but others should not have to use it if they do not share the same ideology. It's a bit like someone from a religion or cult saying to you 'Why do you not want to call yourself a Being of Delanaii?'........well it's because you don't believe in the same things as they do so you can call yourself that!

So you can't call yourself that*

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Arrgh! Zombie thread!!

Is this a weirdness or just a different part of FWR that I have stumbled into?

ZOMBIE

How annoying!

@ZoeyAW

Hey, genuine question, why do gender critical feminists hate the term 'cis'?

We reject it because it's not part of our terminology. And you don't have to be gender critical to reject it, just a woman. Our word for ourselves is 'woman', a word which exists in every language (obviously not actually woman). Perhaps you could consider what would happen if, eg, an Irish traveller came onto mumsnet and declared from now on all people who aren't travellers are now called 'gorgers' and have to accept that term and even call themselves it. I think it would sound extremely rude, don't you? And in fact most people would (quite rightly) tell them to fuck off.