Is there a place in radical feminism for women who are married to men?

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Just that really. I consider radfem views as most closely aligning with my own, but I am married with 2 children. After being subjected to the most hideous pile on in a radfem Facebook group about relationships with men, I'm left feeling a bit disillusioned.

I'm not libfem in any way, shape or form. So where do I go?

I'll admit I'm feeling a little sensitive atm, I chose to share traumatic experiences I haven't talked about for a long time and it's left me exhausted. I was accused of manipulating behaviour because I said dredging up those feelings had made me cry. I honestly cannot see how explaining that speaking about my own experiences has upset me is manipulating, but then a lot of what I said was taken out of context and twisted.

I will never feel comfortable in a 'Feminist' space where it's OK to tear down a woman when she is talking about past trauma. So where is MY place in feminism? Please, be kind.

Weird way to live your life though.
Disbelieve and dismiss anything produced by a man as lies, despite and science, stats or evidence.
Believe everything said by a woman, regardless of science, stats or evidence.
I couldn't go through life knowing that a lot of what I believed was untrue, and I only believed it was because of the sex/gender of the person who told me.

Weird way to live your life though.

Weird is one way to put it.

It's not at all weird. Once you understand that almost everything men write is lies, or if it's not lies then it has been copied from a woman, then it makes very little sense to continue reading what they write. It's counterintuitive and a waste of time. Why would you keep doing something so negative? I'm not a masochist.
I don't even read their shit out of amusement or to extend this theory anymore.

I'm sorry. That is bullshit. 'Almost everything written by men is a lie.' It's just not true.

Once you understand

Oh I forgot, Sakura and their extremism is here to educate us dumb women ( most of whom have many many more years experience )

Not reading anything written by a man, claiming everything they’ve ever done ( which would include discoveries, new medicine etc ) is a lie, is just as extreme and nonsensical as saying all women are inferior and don’t have maths grains. Neither position is from an intelligent, logical position and neither is true whatsoever.

But I shan’t be wasting my time in disproving nonsense today, or engaging with disingenuous posters. I suggest you do the same Grammer

It's just an opinion that's all.
I'm sure now and again the planets align and you can manage to find grains of truth in men's writing and science experiments. It's just not the norm. Also a lot of their experiments have been on animals, with no obvious positive contributions to anything. Seems they just like to torture in the name of "study".

I would go further and say that anything men have legitimately done, or "discovered" by themselves has turned out to be a disaster for everyone, for animals and for the planet.

That reminds me of Harlow's horrible experiments on monkey infants. He separated them from their mothers and put them with cloth and wire "surrogates". This is an actual quote from his conclusions:

"Whether the mother is real or a cloth surrogate, there does develop a deep and abiding bond between mother and child."

No joke. That is what he wrote.

Oh well, think what you like I'll continue to take the medication discovered by a man and tested on animals that stops me from dying from being unable to breathe.

manage to find grains of truth in men's writing and science experiments. It's just not the norm.

Total bullshit, you wouldn't last 5 mins in a science job.

Here's the paper.

WARNING: super creepy and of very little scientific merit.

www.appsychology.com/ResearchStudies/Studies/Harlow/nature_of_love.htm

I'm starting to think sakura is a man actually (I know it's bad form to accuse people of being men on here), working as a fifth columnist to discredit and undermine feminism from within by making us look totally batty and deluded.

I'll tell you what is weird @JessicaWakefieldSV . You literally calling me disgusting and unintelligent on a number of occasions and now accusing me of calling you dumb when I've never hinted or suggested at all that I think you are.

Massive projection

I can promise you one thing though. Quite a lot of men do think you're dumb.

*That reminds me of Harlow's horrible experiments on monkey infants. He separated them from their mothers and put them with cloth and wire "surrogates". This is an actual quote from his conclusions:

"Whether the mother is real or a cloth surrogate, there does develop a deep and abiding bond between mother and child."

No joke. That is what he wrote.*

Yes a lot of their "study" and "research" has been to do with fucking up mothers and their babies, whether humans or animals

They can't keep their utter jealousy of women in check

@Maniak I can't even read the paper. This stuff is unlimited, it literally goes on and on and on forever. That dick who cut off dogs' tails is another one that springs immediately to mind. And I don't know if it's even true or not but I think they grew an ear on a rat. I'd better stop now as I'm starting to feel my misandry brewing

Harlow got funding, and attention and resources. Just. I can't even. I've got to the point where I see any achievement by a man - a cathedral, a piece of machinery - and I can only think, funding, resources, time.

Oh well, think what you like I'll continue to take the medication discovered by a man and tested on animals that stops me from dying from being unable to breathe.

Not everyone thinks this way.

Harlow got funding, and attention and resources. Just. I can't even. I've got to the point where I see any achievement by a man - a cathedral, a piece of machinery - and I can only think, funding, resources, time.

And all the wives cooking them dinner and shopping for them so they could concentrate on their oh so important work

@sakura no don't read it. It's awful. I just like to reference stuff.

I'll tell you what is weird @JessicaWakefieldSV . You literally calling me disgusting and unintelligent on a number of occasions and now accusing me of calling you dumb when I've never hinted or suggested at all that I think you are.

And you’ve literally said disgusting and untrue things on loads of threads so that’s why many of us, not just me, call you out on your extreme views. We criticise the views btw, I’ve never called you anything, just the things you write. Calling others names is against talk guidelines.
I also didn’t say you called us anything, but the constant ‘when you understand’ ‘ educate yourselves about radical feminism’ etc etc endlessly the last few weeks, does in fact come across as you think you know much more than others here and that we are just not very good feminists. For a new user, that does look suspicious and it does look like a deliberate attempt to make this board look crazy to others. Is that your intention?

Yes as you've seen on here people expect references because a woman being horrified by something she's read or seen or even heard of by word of mouth is not regarded as sufficient evidence even though we know she's probably not lying and her instincts and evaluation of it are most likely correct and so on

" it does look like a deliberate attempt to make this board look crazy to others"

@JessicaWakefieldSV which others did you have in mind and why should we care what they think?

@JessicaWakefieldSV What have I said that's disgusting or untrue?

It is generally a good thing that echo chambers tend to become diluted to the point of irrelevancy once they come in contact with reality.