Another Herald article with heartening comments

[AnyOldPrion]

Apologies if this has been linked before, I can’t see a thread.

There’s an article from the Herald yesterday arguing that we should pretend that the Yaniv question isn’t relevant when looking at the GRA in Scotland. The comments are fabulous. Well informed, almost universally against the suggestion that Yaniv is irrelevant, and (in my opinion) firmly back on the side of reality.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/17800879.mark-smith-trans-toilet-case-shows-snp-will-introduce-gender-reform/

Love the comments, many of which appear to be from men, including this:

Ralph Malph29th July 11:09 pm
I would have agreed it was a minor story except the activists have caught the rest of us napping. This is about a stealth campaign to eradicate women's protected rights.

The general public in Scotland are waking up to this issue and they’re having none of it.

I liked '....is this some kind of woke olympics? Even stranger - introducing legislative changes because of fears of being perceived to be "behind" another country sure is one feeble excuse for said changes.'

From the article

what legislators have to do is balance the rights and risks. The right, in this case, is the right of trans women to be treated equally and the risk is that some people may abuse the right, or act in the way Yaniv did. The important point is that to establish that a small risk exists, as those opposed to trans reform have done, is not a good enough reason to restrict the right

Yaniv’s right to force women to handle his genitals is more important than the risk that the women will be traumatised by that

At least the author is nailing his colours to the mast I guess

The writer's agreement:

The right, in this case, is the right of trans women to be treated equally and the risk is that some people may abuse the right, or act in the way Yaniv did. The important point is that to establish that a small risk exists, as those opposed to trans reform have done, is not a good enough reason to restrict the right. It pains me that they can’t see the logic of this point and instead persist in their hysteria

You horrible horrible man.

Duh *argument

You may also think there’s a bit of mansplaining going on. But if so, it’s not as bad as straightsplaining

I can’t believe he wrote that. What an idiot. Don’t fucking tell the most oppressed group in all of human history that it’s not as bad you prick

He’s clearly agreeing with Mhairi Black and her calling us c**ts so, right back at you horrible man.

Some of the comments are hillarious. The actual article is a load of drivel.

I don’t know why he’s calling it the trans toilet case when it’s nothing to do with toilets. Anyway the comments are at least cutting through his misogynistic crap.

what legislators have to do is balance the rights and risks. The right, in this case, is the right of trans women to be treated equally

That bit struck me too Bernard, this part in particular.

1. Legislators had completely failed to notice there were risks.
2. “Trans women” are not seeking equality. They have equality already. They are seeking the special right to be treated as members of the sex to which they don’t belong.

This stuff has become so easy to argue now.

Daylight, daylight, daylight.

there’s a bit of mansplaining going on. But if so, it’s not as bad as straightsplaining

Oh, really?

there’s a bit of mansplaining going on. But if so, it’s not as bad as straightsplaining

What this phrase means, I take it, is that women are always lesser than men. Our concerns, our voices, are just naturally second place to those of males. Never mind our silly wee female feelings, check out the size of this LGBTQIA+ oppression.

Love those comments, some choice words there!

Easy solution to the toilet issue - Replace "Men" signs with "Penises" sign, a quick check what you have onboard will indicate where you need to go. Problem solved.

So, men and women who think women (and men) should have their own space are actually misogynists? Any kind of splaining of this logic would be welcomed - perhaps transplaining or LGBTsplaining?

It's not the dress that's the problem it's the penis and the erection!

Why shouldn't the Scottish government or any government take the wishes of the majority of people into account when it comes to sharing toilets or in beauty parlours. It seems that small groups, who are very voluble, but very small are being pandered to at the expense of the wishes of the many. Our democratic system is based on the wishes of the majority. It should be the same here.

I think the problem with the trans issue is that people who think that they have been born in the wrong body may be suffering form a delusion and to be complicit in that delusion by providing gender re-assignment therapies is in fact abusing them.

Is it not the case that we in Scotland are doing OK as far as LGB goes, it's just that we are confused as far as T goes ?

That piece reads like a bad 6th form essay.

Lol at the idea that the ‘real misogynists’ are the ones who think penis owners should have their ‘right’ to have their penis and balls waxed by women who offer female only services ‘restricted’.

Excellent letters published today in response, firstly from Kath Murray and Lucy Hunter Blackburn and second from Susan Smith of Forwomen Scotland.

www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/17805590.letters-lack-due-diligence-scrutiny-policy-making-field-gender-identity/

Particularly enjoyed Susan Smith's letter: "it would appear that he believes the rights of predators to access female bodies trumps women and girls' rights to safety, dignity and privacy. "

Grrr that article! Mysogny and smugness from beginning to end. Have made an account so I can comment on this BS.