Another Article by Andrew Sullivan: Jessica Yaniv

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Apologies if this link has been posted before!

Anyway, I stumbled across this article in NY Mag this morning:

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/andrew-sullivan-the-american-system-is-already-failing.html

(The middle section of the article is the relevant part - it's sandwiched between a discussion of the state of US politics and the state British politics.)

Seems fair to me. It is very unusual for someone to see both sides of the story like the writer has!

This kind of annoyed me...
Many of the beauticians worked out of their own homes with children present, most were immigrant women, one with Sikh religious strictures against touching male genitals other than her husband’s.
I find it difficult to put 'why' into words. It implies that women need an acceptable reason, like religion, to be allowed to refuse to touch random male genitals. Otherwise they're right wing cranks and horrible prudes.

Bits of it were good, but it's a bit too on-the-fence for my liking. I agree with Juells that women shouldn't need an acceptable reason to be allowed to refuse to touch men's genitals. Women should be able to have boundaries. They should be able to have privacy and dignity.

I think Sullivan is wrong to say that Yaniv is an "extreme outlier", unfortunately. We all know that there are very many out there like Yaniv.

Also: "The truth is that trans people have the body of one sex and the mind and psyche of another."

Without putting too fine a point on it, that's bollocks.

Without putting too fine a point on it, that's bollocks.

Not least because I can’t imagine a more male socialised response than suing someone because they don’t want to touch your genitals.

It implies that women need an acceptable reason

I agree. I also feel the same about the entire debate to be honest. I don’t want to get changed in front of males and I don’t think I should have to defend that or have a special reason.

I agree. I also feel the same about the entire debate to be honest. I don’t want to get changed in front of males and I don’t think I should have to defend that or have a special reason.

...or touch (or even see) male genitals. I don't need any religious justification for having such boundaries. Every woman has her own red line.

Not least because I can’t imagine a more male socialised response than suing someone because they don’t want to touch your genitals.

The whole "demanding to use female spaces" thing is a marker for male psychology. The whole "you have to recognize me as a woman". "You have to sleep with me."