Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd

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This person (and I think it’s a woman, I’m assuming so in my use of pronouns for this post!) runs a Facebook page and an internet blog calling out anti-vaxxers and homeopathic medicine practitioners. Today she’s posted a long piece on FB blaming women (‘typically vis women’ she says) for internalised misogyny.

I just don’t get it. Where’s her hardline science gone when she talks about ‘cis’ and ‘trans’? The post has caused a whole lot of women to join the bandwagon agreeing that the misogyny is invariably from women. No one seems to have picked up on the implication that a transwoman is just another kind of woman...

Does she really call herself 'insufferably intolerant science nerd'? Because, then she's just doing what she has clearly set out to do - be unpleasant and closed minded.

I don't think it's worth wasting too much time on people who declare themselves to be something intentionally unpleasant/immoral.

Jesus that page.

That's my night of comedy sorted out!

The pleas to "think critically." S yet somehow the stories of detransitioners and actual transexuals who regret or who do voice extreme caution around transitioning are ignored.

I was reading about the impact of the German testosterone Olympic doping on women, the horrendous effects of which are still ongoing earlier.

Actual scientific proof of actual physical harm to women completely ignored. They'll argue that this wasn't a choice but do not recognise the coercion of the trans community via media, YouTube and social pressure - as explained by the poor women who are detrans ing today.

I wonder what it will take for them to listen? More detransitioners than trans? I give it 10 years.

I wonder if any of them would employ some critical thinking to what GNC Ben experienced? Or is it all cry's of bigot, terf and fingers in ears la la la la?

Safeguarding safeguarding safeguarding

Article about doping with testosterone

www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24780097.html

How the he'll do these so called science nerds ignore the evidence of permanent harm around blockers?

Or the rapey coercion of the cotton ceiling?

Too distracted with pretty memes about trans rights being human rights to employ actual critical thought.

I still have absolutely no idea what rights I might have that a trans person doesn't?

I did used to follow her but unfollowed her (I’m sure she’ll be devastated).

Dismantling the stigma of people doing sex work would mean better access to healthcare, mental health support and make it safer for them

Dismantling the abuse of prostituted women would also make it safer. I think I prefer a world where women girls don't feel that when desperate, they should be going into prostitution or porn rather than one where it's legitimised and advertised down the job centre.

I don't think there's any way that being repeatedly raped for money can possibly be compensated for with mental health support - it's just a basically damaging existence.

It seems there are a lot of people who can only attack women, blame women and hate the things women fight for - wheras if it comes from a man, or someone trans, it must be right. And some of those people are women themselves. Who may recognise internalised misgyiny - in others.
Seeing it in myself was one of the hardest things. And once you've seen it, it can cause you immense pain. The things you 'allowed' to be done to you. The things you stood up for that you realised you were duped into believing. It can shake your very foundations. At times it can threaten own identity, since you cannot help changing once you have seen it and may not recognise yourself until you learn to see the deepest truths that were hidden from you by your own psyche. I can see why people who have clearly proclaimed identity issues might seem like your tribe.

Ironically I'm following now just to see the craziness. I notice a few of my GC friends do the same for the same reason.

Two of the really good points from the skeptics thread:

Kesstrel
*Thinking about financial scam bubbles - eg the famous South Sea Bubble of the early 1700s - they work because Person A doesn't do their research because they see that Person B, C and D who they respect is investing in it. Person A assumes that those people will have done the research, so they don't need to - it must be a good thing.

I suspect this is what is happening with academics and sceptics. And it all started because Stonewall leveraged its huge resource of respect to "back" the scam, which then snowballed.

It will take real life consequences, and a lot of people suffering, sadly, for that bubble of irresponsible investment to burst. Just like financial scams.*

And

Since gender ideology seems to be accepted by the mainstream medical community, it's assumed to be scientific and those who question it are anti-science.
(Sorry if forgotten who that was.)

Everyone is an armchair scientist these days too and lap up what's presented to them in mainstream media everywhere.

sfonline.barnard.edu/neurogenderings/eight-things-you-need-to-know-about-sex-gender-brains-and-behavior-a-guide-for-academics-journalists-parents-gender-diversity-advocates-social-justice-warriors-tweeters-facebookers-and-ever/

A huge reality that's completely ignored in the trans PR parade is that many young children, often girls who begin to identify as trans have suffered sexual abuse as a way to make it stop, deal with the trauma, gain control over their bodies.

It make me feel physically sick that this is touted as wonderful and liberating by people like this, with huge followings. It's Evangelical.

Prostitution is a demand-driven business.

The problem with de-stigmatizing it is that it increases demand.

Where is the supply to come from in a business that is predicated on female poverty? Why, it comes from increasing female poverty. When that fails, it comes from trafficking.

In every country that has suffered economic shock, prostitution increases while prices for services go way way down. During the Greek crisis, I read articles lauding — yes, lauding — that men could now buy a woman for less than the price of a sandwich.

Amnesty International praised prostitution as a means for tackling female poverty — that’s how fucking impoverished the push for decriminalisation and legalization is.

How about instead of increasing demand for a product supply predicated on global female impoverishment, we instead cut supply entirely by eradicating female poverty?

Wake me when Amnesty and every other bro-led NGO comes up with a plan for THAT.

Prostitution is a demand-driven business

The problem with de-stigmatizing it is that it increases demand

Exactly. Punters should be stigmatised. They should be despised and ostracised. Being caught as a punter should be a dusciplinary sackable/striking offence issue for any profession such as law, law enforcement, accountancy, social work , medicine or teaching where ethics play as much as a role as simply being good at one's job

Born in the wrong body with ladybrains - very science, much evidence.

When men find out how much better male women are, women might as well pack up and go home

Except for sex[ual intercourse]?

Heterosexual men who preach TWAW are hoist by their own petard at that point, methinks.

I've just had to detox with a Magdalen Berns video.

Born in the wrong body with ladybrains

And if you believe this you therefore believe your own brain is a lady brain which is just plain sexism. Of course there are sex differences structurally, pregnancy makes them more so for a while but brains are plastic and show their environment.

The brain study (using only TW and W and only a few brains - 8 iirc?- looked at an area that was similar in size in the TW and the women but is flawed for all the brains it didn't include plus has now been re evaluated to show it was due to a trauma related effect.

Ah, well if it's not ladybrains, it must be gendered souls! Hooray!

That's not a bad idea Ariadne.

@GrumpyGran8

comments were entirely adulatory

Yes, they were. Not sure why I expected otherwise actually. Not a critical thinker among them.

According to a comment on the facebook post, they have a 'list of facts' which will melt our brains if we see it

I wonder if any of them would employ some critical thinking to what GNC Ben experienced? Or is it all cry's of bigot, terf and fingers in ears la la la la?

It's exactly that.

It might be more constructive if they would come over here and discuss what rights they think trans people lack and try to explain to us why they think we're wrong. But no, it's all 'bigot', 'terf' and 'stupid mums'. Because calling people names is such an effective way to convince people that you're right.

@AriadneAufNaxos would you have the same attitude toward the people doing the sex work? Interested in your position on it. I know a few people (all doing it of their own accord) who live where even doing sex work is illegal and there have been undercover police posing as clients and then arresting people. And what about the stigma for the people working? I don’t think it’s looked down upon that much for a man to hire a sex worker but I might be wrong, I’m not a man, but it seems like the whole man sleeps around he’s a player, woman sleeps around she’s a sl*t.

@TiredofthisBS I’ve dabbled a bit in sex work and it’s all been because I’ve wanted to rather than being forced into it but I accept I may be in the minority!

AriadneAufNaxoswould you have the same attitude toward the people doing the sex work? Interested in your position on it

"Sex work" is legal in the UK so the idea that undercover police are posing as punters to arrest prostitutes is nonsense unless the prostitutes are actively soliciting in public - which is illegal and rightly so in my opinion.Being a pimp or a brothel keeper is illegal - and rightly so.

So far as prostitutes who actively promote the lie that sex "work" is work; or those who spout on about how empowering it is and how much money they make ; or those who sneer at supposedly sad little people whose jobs are "burger flipping" or cleaning offices ; or the Belle du Jours and the Laura Lees pushing these lies; or the madams and facilitators- yes I have contempt for them as well.

Idon’t think it’s looked down upon that much for a man to hire a sex worker but I might be wrong, I’m not a man

I have utter contempt for any man who uses a prostitute. I have discussed it with my son and husband who feel the same. I would be very surprised if friends or colleagues were relaxed about this.

but it seems like the whole man sleeps around he’s a player, woman sleeps around she’s a slut

You are confusing 2 completely different issues. What consenting adults, who are not cheating on someone else or infected with an STD get up to willingly (and that means without the exchange of money) in private and which does not involve "sex games goes wrong " injury is no concern of mine. If people want to have safe, consensual, mutually enjoyable sex, no matter how casual the relationship that is up to them. I have no judgement to make.

I see you refer to "sex worker" and "sex work". I refuse to prettify prostitution by using that term.

For women who have been trafficked I would say something like "women trafficked into prostitution". If it's put forward as a positive choice- then I would use "prostitute".

@AriadneAufNaxos these were some girls in America - not sure what state, state laws confuse me! From what I’ve read, the laws differ greatly depending on the state. And I would never look down on someone for their job or anything they do. I’m no better or worse than anyone else and it’s not my place to tell people how to earn a living.
I suppose I was more referring to ‘bro’ culture - I wasn’t inferring that you (or anyone else on here for that matter) felt that way or had those same preconceptions. All I know is, it’s stigmatised in our culture for women to sleep around whilst men are often praised for it. Not saying you believe that and I may be out of the loop but that’s always been the feeling I’ve gotten from people. I was only using that as an example of how a woman doing sex work may face more consequences from being found than the punter, I wasn’t presenting them as the same issue.
I’m not forcing you to use sex work/sex workers, you can refer to people how you like. They are the words I choose to use for people who choose to go into it - for trafficked people or people who are forced into it, I will refer to them as that. Again though, I’m not telling you to use those terms, just explaining my use of them. I don’t want to dehumanise the friends I have who do sex work.

You only “dehumanise” prostitutes by calling them prostitutes if you think at some level that being a prostitute is sub-human. I think you need to examine more closely and honestly exactly who is doing the “looking down on” because it seems as though you are not as free from this as you like to give yourself credit for.

Does anyone know what this person's actual credentials are - are they a researcher? What is their area of science?
She certainly has an extraordinarily high opinion of herself, and a screaming bottomless amount of ignorance about the people who post here.

If you think that simply stating what someone does dehumanizes them then that may well be telling you some things about how you actually see that job that you're trying very hard not to see.

The pomo idea that you can solve problems by renaming them seems to produce a fairly painful level of cognitive dissonance in those who adopt it, which they then try to resolve by preventing others from naming problems more clearly.