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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Tower of Babel

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 26/07/2019 22:57

From the New International Version

Genesis 11, 1- 9

(1) Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. (2) As people moved eastward they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. (3) They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. (4) Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” (5) But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. (6) The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. (7) Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” (8) So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. (9) That is why it was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

Something another poster said reminded me of this story. Every marginalised group has progressed it's liberation through unity. Women together make up half the population. If we rose up and stood together we would be unstoppable. We've made so many gains over the last century, found so much strength in each other, Feminism has achieved so much. And men saw this, and they thought “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” And they did it. Now our movement is divided, our language is confused, we talk past each other in debates, and if the backlash proceeds as desired we won't even be able to recognise ourselves as a class any more. We will just be a collection of cervix havers and pregnant people and menstruators, with nothing to unify us into anything stronger than a thousand tiny groups.

I propose that this assault on women's language is a modern day Tower of Babel story, and that the destruction of language to prevent people unifying to challenge power, is literally be the oldest trick in the book. We need to keep building our city, we need to keep fighting for our language, but most importantly we need to find a way to communicate properly with the other women we've become divided from.

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JellySlice · 26/07/2019 23:44

Ecclesiastes 1,9

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is nothing new under the sun."

Except that the Transgenderists are not gods, and we shall not submit to them, even if they do use the oldest trick in the book to promote their new religion.

WrathofSwhittlesKlop · 27/07/2019 00:08

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving

Thankyou

I am finding the ancient texts more revealing as I get older.
Stories of origin from all cultures are fascinating.
The common thread of life and fertility through time unites females

The stories that were told and the words that were written down conveyed a message that organised religion has subverted the meaning.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 27/07/2019 00:11

I'm really interested in religious apologetics and I've been struck from the start how strong the parallels are between trans-ideology/ genderism and organised religion. It's all the same old power finding new ways to protect itself and recruit new members. The use of language, especially naming, and ritual is really similar. The insistence on using "gender" instead of "sex" reminds me so much of the way creationists insist on using "kinds" instead of "species" to discredit evolution. And the idea that everyone has a gender identity but we just can't feel ours because it's in tune, is so similar to the line that everyone has a soul and a connection with god but atheists just can't feel it because they don't have enough faith. There's a whole book in it I'm sure to explore the parallels between the two systems.

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 27/07/2019 00:14

Ancient texts are fascinating to read and study. I don't believe in any Gods but the men who wrote the ancient texts were drawing on real observations and real experiences. There's definitely a lot to learn about the human condition in there.

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WrathofSwhittlesKlop · 27/07/2019 00:27

It is the way organised religion has centred man at top of the hierarchy that irks me.

I am always looking for clues that maybe it hasn't always been like this.

For example, the book of Proverbs, the text ways refers to wisdom as She.

WrathofSwhittlesKlop · 27/07/2019 00:28

*Always

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